E-MAIL PROTEST AGAINST RED DIESEL TAX - SIGN HERE NOW!!

1. All taxation is theft (read the Theft Act ... theft essentially means depriving someone of their belongings without the intention of returning them: that is preceisely what happens when the government force us to hand over our money so that they can send our armed forces to go and fight america's wars.
2. There is tax even on red diesel: it's just at a lower rate.
3. What most of Europe voted for was a level playing field. It's perfectly true that if I want to go boating, then there is no reason why I should be penalised any less than my neighbour who chooses to go off-roading. But by the same token, there is no justification for making us Brits pay more than our neighbours in France, Belgium, Holland etc..
It is the sheer, unmitigated greed of the British Government (Tories as well as Labour) that forces us to pay so much more in fuel tax than any of our neighbours.
 
Pardon me if I refrain from replying to a general rant about taxation, EU, defence <u>and</u> foreign policy(!) but you've reminded me of a curious legal quirk that readers may find interesting. There is only one item of property that is not covered by the Theft Act (and hence cannot be stolen). Anyone care to guess what it is...?
 
Sorry Clive, but to a large part of the public, someone with a mortgage and a 30-foot motor boat is 'wealthy'!

And as has already been said many, many times, the average 'little guy' doesn't use enough fuel for the increase to be as significant as all that...

Those who do, should perhaps look at their consciences... (can, worms, open)
 
Actually not mistaken in what I said. I did over-simplify in that it does depend on which pillar. However it remains a fact that the FBs do not legislate - initiate legislation yes, but they are not law makers. Like UK civil servants they have interpreted the rules not made them. The exact set up is quite complicated but it would take up too much space here and the heavy asterisk brigade are rarely swayed by fact or logic.

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It could just as easily well have been a caravan, a seaside mobile home, a trailer tent

[/ QUOTE ] I am on this forum because I love boats and sailing. For me it could not have been a caravan - floating or otherwise.
 
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there is no justification for making us Brits pay more than our neighbours in France, Belgium, Holland etc..
It is the sheer, unmitigated greed of the British Government (Tories as well as Labour) that forces us to pay so much more in fuel tax than any of our neighbours.

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I seem to remember, when I was visiting friends living in France in Oct, they were telling me that Electricity (fuel) was much more expensive in France than back here in the UK. If this is the case ( can someone confirm ), then we don't hear anyone complaining about this imbalance.

However the disproportionate amount charged in tax on wine is another matter!
 
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...and the heavy asterisk brigade are rarely swayed by fact or logic.

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Me neither. I've made up my mind, do not attempt to confuse me with facts or logic /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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Why do we keep coming back to this canard. All EU legislation is passed by the European Parliament. If you didn't vote for an MEP then that is your own fault. Don't blame others for your inaction. The 'faceless bureaucrats' do not make laws - they only draft them - just like UK civil servants.

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You are mistaken. Our elected representatives decided to apply for a derogation. This was turned down without a vote in the Parliament and without a vote in the Commission. The loss of the derogation was the direct result of the "faceless bureaucrats".

Rick

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Actually, doubly mistaken. It's not quite as straightforward as: The 'faceless bureaucrats' (aka the Commission) do not make laws. And the Commission is certainly not 'just like UK civil servants'. The Commission has the sole right to initiate legislation. The Parliament and Council (differently in different areas) approve legislation put to it by the Commission. I do not seek to make a political point here, but it is a fact that unelected officials have far more power in Europe than in the UK.

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What are the House of Lords but a bunch of unelected faceless officials?
 
They may be unelected, they may even have bought a peerage (couldn't possibly comment) but they're certainly not faceless. Feel free to pop down to the House or tune to "Today in Parliament". Mind you, you may find that as someone once said, the House of Lords is proof of life after death!
 
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But by the same token, there is no justification for making us Brits pay more than our neighbours in France, Belgium, Holland etc.. It is the sheer, unmitigated greed of the British Government (Tories as well as Labour) that forces us to pay so much more in fuel tax than any of our neighbo

[/ QUOTE ] Why just argue about fuel tax. Look at the big picture.

UK; 44% GNP gathered in tax.
France, Belgium, Holland etc: >50% GNP gathered in tax.

Sounds like, compared to other countries, the UK taxpayer refuses to pay up - ie, chooses what he'll pay for, rather than letting government choose.
 
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However the disproportionate amount charged in tax on wine is another matter!

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Now there is a real cause worthy of a fight. How you let your government get away with the outrageous taxes on wine and spirits is a mystery to me.

I don't pay the road fund licence car tax (we don't have it here). I don't pay TV licence tax - I can't afford a TV. I don't even pay income tax - I don't earn enough. I couldn't afford to live in the UK anymore because of alcohol taxes. They far outweighed the extra fuel tax I pay in France. Anyway I could always put calva in the tank
 
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In truth its no big hardship for me, its a great excuss for another channel crossing!

Can you confirm that domestic fuel IS more expensive in France?
 
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Can you confirm that domestic fuel IS more expensive in France?

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I have just checked a bill and it seems that I pay 0.0778 Euros per kilowatt hour - on this there is a tax of 27.9% so, if I have the sums right, that is about 6.7 pence per unit - what is it in the UK? I haven't a clue what heating oil costs. Mostly I burn wood which is about 170 Euros a cord
 
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