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Dear All
I am planning to cross the N sea and go into the Dutch waterways next year. I understand I need a Euroean Inland waterways cert (CEVNI test???) and am wondering how to get the required training and test. I am an RYA yachtmaster and can see there are tests available on line - but how do I prepeare ?? The RYA website does not seem to cover how to get the knowldege required. Any advice appreciated
All the best
Martin
 
Halo said:
Dear All
I am planning to cross the N sea and go into the Dutch waterways next year. I understand I need a Euroean Inland waterways cert (CEVNI test???) and am wondering how to get the required training and test. I am an RYA yachtmaster and can see there are tests available on line - but how do I prepeare ?? The RYA website does not seem to cover how to get the knowldege required. Any advice appreciated
All the best
Martin
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CEVNI needed if your boat is big or fast. >15m &/or >15knots from memory. For sailing boat usually not needed. Your Beneteau 323 not needed.
 
Don't worry if you are taking a sailing vessel. Just be very cautious for red diesel in your tank. You also may get comments on not having ATIS on your VHF but I don't think you will be fined for this. As said above, a 'Vaarbewijs' is required for yachts larger then 15 meters and/or faster then 20 km/h.
 
You don't need an ICC for Holland. You will need an ATIS enabled VHF.

For up to date requirements for taking your boat abroad consult the RYA site - then you don't have to guess!
 
The length speed ratios apply to the ICC certificate.The Cevni test is for the inland waters and your ICC is then marked as such.I understand that a Cevni does not exist in it's own right.(sorry if this is sucking eggs).The RYA advise that you have both.Your insurer might ask some difficult questions if you have an accident without one due to a priblem with the Cevni regs which do have some odd things compared to the Coll Regs.eg Normal vessels(those over 20m) going downstream have priority over upstream vessels,but upstream vessels chose which side they will give way on.Small craft give way to normal vessls(very sensible) The RYA book is very good and you can do the Cevni test on line.
 
ditchcrawler said:
The length speed ratios apply to the ICC certificate.The Cevni test is for the inland waters and your ICC is then marked as such.I understand that a Cevni does not exist in it's own right.(sorry if this is sucking eggs).The RYA advise that you have both.Your insurer might ask some difficult questions if you have an accident without one due to a priblem with the Cevni regs which do have some odd things compared to the Coll Regs.eg Normal vessels(those over 20m) going downstream have priority over upstream vessels,but upstream vessels chose which side they will give way on.Small craft give way to normal vessls(very sensible) The RYA book is very good and you can do the Cevni test on line.
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But the OP has a Benny 323, too small and too slow to require an ICC (for which he would qualify as he is a YM, so would only have to take the CEVNI test - if he needed it)
 
Tranona.You are correct but when I took my Cevni there was no separate certificate issued just a an application for an ICC in which I filled in the bit that said Existing ICC update for Cevni.The only place that a Cevni is referenced is on the ICC where the Inland Waterways box is ticked.As has been said Dayskipper Practical or above gets you an ICC.I haven't expressed this very well but you apply for an ICC with the Cevni endorsement or not.Cevni does not exist on it's own.
 
I understand that - but that is not the issue. The OP does not need an ICC with or without the endorsement for taking his boat to Holland.
 
I would gen up on the inland rules regardless to understand eg what those boards mean that pop in and out from barge wheelhouses etc
A 3,000 tonne barge in hurry from Amsterdam to Rotterdam for his next cargo is not going to worry too much about if you have understood what his intentions are- you get in his way at your own peril.



Brian
 
brianhumber said:
I would gen up on the inland rules regardless to understand eg what those boards mean that pop in and out from barge wheelhouses etc
A 3,000 tonne barge in hurry from Amsterdam to Rotterdam for his next cargo is not going to worry too much about if you have understood what his intentions are- you get in his way at your own peril.



Brian
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:D:D
 
How to get a the CEVNI qual

To answer the orginal post:

Learn and inwardly digest the content of the RYA European Waterways Regulations book. (and google "CEVNI" for lots of practice tests available online on loads of sites)

http://www.rya.org.uk/shop/pages/pr...&cat=Inland+Waterways(RYA+Main)&type=&course=

Then apply to take the test at an RYA Teaching Establishment which provides the test. These can be found on the RYA "Find a centre near me" site:

http://www.rya.org.uk/coursestraining/Pages/default.aspx

Some centres now provide this facility online - but not all- otherwise its a multiple choice written paper. Basically, it is a test on the meaning of all the signs, symbols, lights and shapes etc found on European Inland Waterways.

Having passed the test, the centre will sign the "Cevni" paragraph of the ICC application so that the RYA can endorse your ICC for "Inland Waterways".

If you don't already have the ICC bit of paper (as a yachtmaster you clearly qualify) - you send a copy of your yachtmaster qual, with the application form to get the ICC.

Free to RYA members otherwise a charge - spookily equal to the RYA annual membership fee.

Simples :)
 
brianhumber said:
I would gen up on the inland rules regardless to understand eg what those boards mean that pop in and out from barge wheelhouses etc
A 3,000 tonne barge in hurry from Amsterdam to Rotterdam for his next cargo is not going to worry too much about if you have understood what his intentions are- you get in his way at your own peril.

Brian
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You are very welcome in Holland!
I agree with Brian. It is not needed to have some ICC inland water in Holland, with this boat. But I would recommend to have a look at the local (different) regulations for the (different) inland waters. It is not so much work and might help you to 'survive'.
Customns are checking on red diesel, but even more on marihuana. So don't bring to much with you. (and not a drop of red diesel)
If you need any help with the regulations, I might be able to help a little.
 
Many thanks to everyone for thier response especially friends from the Netherlands . I am buying the RYA European waterways regulations suggested by mikemanor and will study this before the trip. The main work seems to be ensuring ATIS radio. I am doing a new post on whether I can convert my Simrad RD68 or Entel HT644 radios to ATIS
Good sailing
Martin
 
Further to the requirement for a waste (toilet) water tank:
There is a lot of confusion, also here in the Netherlands.
The regulations say that it is not allowed to pump out the toilet into the water.
As long as you do not do this, there is no problem. A waste water tank is not required.
There have been some discussions on how the police is going to enforce this regulation.
 
There is a small booklet [or leaflet] with the CEVNI rules. Whether you need the test or not, it pays to have learnt the rules and also to carry the booklet where it is easily reached when travelling in the inland waterways. [You may suddenly be faced with a sign that you cannot remember the meaning of]
From memory, the test consists of 20 questions , multiple choice, and is not difficult if you have read the book.

Francis
 
Halo said:
Many thanks to everyone for thier response especially friends from the Netherlands . I am buying the RYA European waterways regulations suggested by mikemanor and will study this before the trip. The main work seems to be ensuring ATIS radio. I am doing a new post on whether I can convert my Simrad RD68 or Entel HT644 radios to ATIS
Good sailing
Martin
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you do not need really need the ATIS

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259119
 
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