Dual citizens/ETA enforcement from 24 February 2026

SimonX said:
Yes, Ii read you post and it doesn't make sense. Why would a dual passport holder enter on a visa?
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I’ve explained multiple times, the problem here is yours so I’ll stop replying to you now. If you don’t enter on a UK passport then the system assumes you’re a foreign citizen and need a visa. How hard is that?
 
lustyd said:
Well there you go, you won’t have any problem with the new system.

What doesn’t? I Googled and everything that came back was selfish reasons about avoiding obligations.
Loss of taxes for a start. Bad actors doing things they wouldn’t do if they had no other citizenship for another. Loads of reasons it’s better to get commitment in return for the many and varied benefits of being a citizen of this country. People who want to live elsewhere are free to leave, but lose those benefits. As I said, we’ve just changed it so pensions and benefits can’t be claimed by non-residents whether citizens or not, and HMRC now has full access to bank accounts to enforce this.
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It's not that simple, pensions can be claimed as long as the requisite years of NI have been paid, regardless of the residency of the pensioner. Benefits, like unemployment, healthcare, family allowance can't be claimed if non-resident.
 
On a bit of an aside, something she and I werr thinking about was, if our boating abroad extends so we are spending more than the 183 days out of the UK it takles to be deemed residemta for taxation and sucklike. I guess if we have gone out of the countruy on our UK passports it is conceivable that border control link up to HMRC so they know? But if we travel to Northern Ireland, hop over the border and flyin from Dublin, they don't.
Just speculation
 
lustyd said:
I’ve explained multiple times, the problem here is yours so I’ll stop replying to you now. If you don’t enter on a UK passport then the system assumes you’re a foreign citizen and need a visa. How hard is that?
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And, as I have asked multiple times, WHY WOULD YOU? IF you have a British passport why would you go to the difficulty of applying for a visa? Its an idiotic idea
 
Baggywrinkle said:
It's not that simple, pensions can be claimed as long as the requisite years of NI have been paid, regardless of the residency of the pensioner. Benefits, like unemployment, healthcare, family allowance can't be claimed if non-resident.
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Not any more, was in the news recently. If you stop being resident you lose that, NHS access, and any benefits.
While I am annoyed, pensioners overwhelmingly voted for this so it brings me some small joy too as I’m 30 years away feom pension despite being retired.
 
SimonX said:
And, as I have asked multiple times, WHY WOULD YOU? IF you have a British passport why would you go to the difficulty of applying for a visa? Its an idiotic idea
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You don’t need to apply for a visa, but you must apply for a British passport. Most friendly nations don’t have to apply for a visa anyway, EU included. They get 6 months regardless. If they enter on a foreign passport then that’s going to be their limit. Quite simple really. They can use their UK passport if they have one and it’s in date, up to them.
 
SimonX said:
On a bit of an aside, something she and I werr thinking about was, if our boating abroad extends so we are spending more than the 183 days out of the UK it takles to be deemed residemta for taxation and sucklike. I guess if we have gone out of the countruy on our UK passports it is conceivable that border control link up to HMRC so they know? But if we travel to Northern Ireland, hop over the border and flyin from Dublin, they don't.
Just speculation
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Not necessarily, as you need to comply with other criteria, namely where is you main home, location of your bank accounts i.e. centre of business for normal life stuff. Border control did not link up with HMRC, you had to prove that to them such as exit and entry stamps on your passport (I guess there will be be a digital equivalent now). However, if you maintain a home in the UK, a bank account in the UK which receives income, pays bills, is used for daily living et cetera, then likely you would not qualify.

I have been doing this since 2003, for work purposes.

It could work for you, but you need to comply with more than just the days out.
 
RunAgroundHard said:
is used for daily living et cetera
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Note that they are now checking that those transactions are actually in the UK as well, which changes the game significantly from this perspective. If the transactions are abroad for daily living then an investigation will be triggered, which may not be ideal for some
 
I live and work in Germany as that was an option for me back in 2000 when the company I worked for was split up and sold off. Everything was easy in the good old days, qualifications were transferrable, job offer was straightforward, so I moved my family here and we have lived and worked in Germany, as UK citizens, with German residency, until around 2017/18 when the effects of the B-Word became real.

At work all employees with UK citizenship were sent an E-Mail warning us that we had to sort out visas and residency or the company would no longer be able to employ us.

German citizenship for the whole family was the cheapest and most pragmatic way to avoid both unemployment, and ultimately repatriation to the UK. My kids are bilingual and have roots in Germany, dragging them back to the UK would have been criminal. Nothing nefarious or selfish about my dual citizenship, just a pragmatic response to a UK train wreck which removed the right for me and my family to live, work, and retire in Europe. The real kicker is that even though we were UK citizens. fundamentaly affected, we could not vote in the referendum so had no voice.

Now I have 2 passports and have retained my freedom .... and judging by the number of Brits who availed themselves of Irish passports, it seems I'm not the only one who valued freedom.
 
Baggywrinkle said:
Now I have 2 passports and have retained my freedom .... and judging by the number of Brits who availed themselves of Irish passports, it seems I'm not the only one who valued freedom.
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I have a lot of sympathy (and jealousy) for those who believed they had a European passport. That’s a bigger, harder conversation that’s not allowed here unfortunately
 
lustyd said:
Ireland isn’t in Schengen so you’ll be caught.
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"Caught" how? We'd be travelling from one EU country to another EU country on EU passport, the information may be logged but there is no reason it would be shared with UK Border control
 
lustyd said:
You don’t need to apply for a visa, but you must apply for a British passport. Most friendly nations don’t have to apply for a visa anyway, EU included. They get 6 months regardless. If they enter on a foreign passport then that’s going to be their limit. Quite simple really. They can use their UK passport if they have one and it’s in date, up to them.
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So your point about visa was nonsense, as I said. You are inventing issues.
 
SimonX said:
"Caught" how? We'd be travelling from one EU country to another EU country on EU passport, the information may be logged but there is no reason it would be shared with UK Border control
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You’d be going through border control. Your entire premise was missing border control. You’re not smarter than them, I promise you that.
 
SimonX said:
So your point about visa was nonsense, as I said. You are inventing issues.
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No it wasn’t (visa free travel still has an assumed visa). You just lack the understanding of the subject required. I worked on this stuff, you’ll just have to trust me.
 
lustyd said:
No it wasn’t (visa free travel still has an assumed visa). You just lack the understanding of the subject required. I worked on this stuff, you’ll just have to trust me.
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You haven't made it at all clear why a UK passport holder would join the longer queue at UK immigration? I use my Dutch passport to enter EU territory, my UK passport to enter the UK - I can't think of any reason to do it the other way round.
I'm not hindering anybody by doing so, nor costing anyone except me more money.
 
SimonX said:
Yawn. You are spouting total nonsense. There is no issue with dual passport holders
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And yet someone started this thread about the issues for dual passport holders. You can leave if you like and let the grownups discuss it.
 
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