"Dorothy" causing excessive wash

[apollo]

The boat in the picture is making too much wash, legal or not.

Not for Wandsworth its not.

Speed Limit is 8knots (thats knots not KM/H).

Everyone else is talking about the Tideway Chris.

5 knots / Mph / sheckels or whatever else is UPPER Thames. Dont have a problem with the Upper Thames speed limits.

However only real meaningful measure would be wave height.

 

[Chris_d]

Not for Wandsworth its not.

Everyone else is talking about the Tideway Chris.
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Rewind, I digressed into talking about non tidal limit and those that think exceeding the limit is ok cause they are only doing 5.5knts etc...

I agree the boat Dorothy is probably not exceeding the speed limit, the boat is not capable of exceeding the limit especialy pushing the tide as it appears he may be doing. However he clearly is not considering his wash and its affect on the residents of Broomhouse Pier, as you say it doesn't really matter how the speed is measured as any speed limit is flawed. American no wake zones make much more sense, as it is all we can do is embarrass inconsiderate boaters.

 

[snapper]

Not for Wandsworth its not.

Speed Limit is 8knots (thats knots not KM/H).

Everyone else is talking about the Tideway Chris.

5 knots / Mph / sheckels or whatever else is UPPER Thames. Dont have a problem with the Upper Thames speed limits.

However only real meaningful measure would be wave height.

YES it is too fast for Wandsworth. There is a pier there called Broomhouse Dock where mine and other boats are moored, and we don't want them damaged by boats travelling at a speed that causes excessive and damaging wash.

 

[apollo]

If you dont like bouncy bouncy, then might one suggest there are better places to moor.

Kind of like moving into a house next to a Motorway and moaning about the noise...

 

[Richard Shead]

YES it is too fast for Wandsworth. There is a pier there called Broomhouse Dock where mine and other boats are moored, and we don't want them damaged by boats travelling at a speed that causes excessive and damaging wash.

I did not see this boat so cant comment, although I have and seem to continue to do so..

Personally looking at the picture and that stretch and the state of the tide / width of river I don't think it is travelling too fast or creating too much wash.

I would be very surprised if it is causing anywhere near as much as the commercial traffic that passes there on a daily basis at all states of the tide.

Again I would have thought that taking a fully tidal mooring which is exposed to all sorts of traffic, one would have to accept it will be a bit bumpy?

If this is the boat I think it is then it moors at Eel Pie and is subjected to daily traffic both commercial and private at all states of the tide.

Just my opinion though!

 

[snapper]

If you dont like bouncy bouncy, then might one suggest there are better places to moor.

Kind of like moving into a house next to a Motorway and moaning about the noise...

I simply ask boat owners passing to slow and perhaps show some consideration to moored vessels. Is that too much to ask?

 

[Forbsie]

If this is the boat I think it is then it moors at Eel Pie and is subjected to daily traffic both commercial and private at all states of the tide.

I'm sure that you are correct, Richard. I'll bring this thread to his attention next time I see him.

 

[apollo]

I simply ask boat owners passing to slow and perhaps show some consideration to moored vessels. Is that too much to ask?

.....and the lighter tugs opposite, and the police boats, and the fire boats and the trippers.

I wish you luck

 

[No Regrets]

I simply ask boat owners passing to slow and perhaps show some consideration to moored vessels. Is that too much to ask?

Er, yes it is.

The fact is, loads of commercial boats leave a huge wake, and as apollo said, the Police Targas are probably the most violent, and rarely are they chuntered around at no-wake speeds.

Perhaps sometimes people are in a hurry to get to St Kats before closing time, and have already been held up by inconsiderate rowers, in which case you might understand why mooring in such a stretch is not always going to be very nice, when people have deadlines to meet.

Look on the bright side, you're probably paying half as much as using a proper Marina. You just have to accept there is a price to pay on occasion.

 

[alruss]

I am moored on that pontoon and I took the picture, the vessel is running with the tide and creating an unreasonably large wash. That is fact. The speed limits are there to prevent excessive wash, creating sutch is against PLA regulations. In future perhgaps I should Just send pictures to P L A. The "not much wash" had my props out of the water. Just as well I was not on board, I might have injured myself. As for commercial vessels, they slow down mostly, when they see people on the pontoon, as for the fire boat it came up river on Sunday evening on blue lights but slowed down passing our pontoon because their wash would cause damage. So most river users are aware of what they are doing and show consideration for other river users, if you consider it ok to ignore your wash because you have been held up then perhaps you should keep boat at the planned destination then you would not pass mooored boats. That should start something.

 

[No Regrets]

'They slow down mostly'

So, loads of 'em still don't slow down then?

You may want to spend literally the rest of your life taking photo's and sending them to the PLA, but I would rather move to a happier place.

Your choice

 

[apollo]

'They slow down mostly'

So, loads of 'em still don't slow down then?

You may want to spend literally the rest of your life taking photo's and sending them to the PLA, but I would rather move to a happier place.

Your choice

Concise and lucid as always dude!

 

[oldgit]

My sixpence worth............

IM (very)HO she is going more or less at the top end of what is acceptable,that little bit of a bow wave splash was probably caused by bow hitting wash off something else,not due to speed.

 

[boatone]

I am moored on that pontoon and I took the picture, the vessel is running with the tide and creating an unreasonably large wash. That is fact. The speed limits are there to prevent excessive wash, creating sutch is against PLA regulations. In future perhgaps I should Just send pictures to P L A.

Posting on here is inevitably going to attract a wide range of comment ranging from reasonable to extreme. Clearly the main thrust of response is not to your liking but we are discussing something which is not precise and what is acceptable wash to one person will be unacceptable to others.
The OP stated that the boat passed 'passed close to Broomhouse Pier ( Just upstream of Wandsworth Bridge)' - can't see the pier in the picture but doesn't look as if the boat passed that close.

Anyone is, of course, quite entitled to make a direct complaint to the PLA and I am surprised how many posters on the forum whinge here when the best course of action would be to make a complaint to the relevant authority. However, I doubt the PLA would do anything that would be likely to satisfy you as they would certainly not have enough info to prosecute.

Just for the record, until recently I owned a Pedro 36 and I can state categorically that a) it was not capable of 8 knots and b) it was commented on by many how little wash it created.

 

[Chris_d]

It is rare in these cases that we have two eye-witnesses on the Forum and a photo, as they live next to the tideway rather than pass through a couple of times a year its fair to think they must know an excessive wash when they see it, photos can be deceptive but it looks large to me especialy if passing close by.

In apollos defence (did I say that) there is definitely a double standard on the tideway, leisure boats get told off but commercial traffic can do as it please's, however in this case Dorothy should have her ruby slippers confiscated.

 

[Richard Shead]

And my point being that boat lives on the Tideway so is perhaps more in tune with what's acceptable and what's not.

There I go again, commenting on something I have no business in doing so...must be my cold

 

[boatone]

There I go again, commenting on something I have no business in doing so...must be my cold

Your comments are just as valid and welcome here as anyone else's, Richard
(and I hope your cold gets better soon ....)

 

[boatone]

In apollos defence (did I say that) there is definitely a double standard on the tideway, leisure boats get told off but commercial traffic can do as it please's, however in this case Dorothy should have her ruby slippers confiscated.

No, no ...... this is too much - agreeing with Apollo, drawing attention to injustice and creating a massive thread drift to the Wizard of Oz - oh how sweet life can be

(ps - there shouldn't be an apostrophe in pleases... )

 

[snapper]

All I asked from my post is that passing boats slow down when passing our pier. I hope forum readers will slow down if passing and I hope someone who knows the Pedro owner might ask them to ease down as well next time.

I have moored there for 5 years and have operated vessels on the tideway for over 10 years and am fully aware of the commercial traffic, and they are generally respectful of our moored boats and slow down to prevent wash damage.

All I ask is for private boat owners to mind their wash when passing.

If anything I hope this thread has raised awareness of the location of our jetty to forum readers and they will pass by slowly which would be very much appreciated by us.

 

[apollo]

No, no ...... this is too much - agreeing with Apollo, drawing attention to injustice and creating a massive thread drift to the Wizard of Oz - oh how sweet life can be

(ps - there shouldn't be an apostrophe in pleases... )

Blimey any more smug and I will start calling you Chris! You cant touch me today guys, off to Holland for two weeks on a 37 footer with a big stick and flappy thing on top (and its not SWMBO neither) Play nicely now.