Do you can it or buy from the expensive pump

Bigplumbs said:
I just checked on the web and the £1.25 is the cost at the pump at 60/40 which incidentally is way too high in favour to the non tax usage

I think you need to think about the tax paid diesel I buy a little and apply it to what might really be happening in the real world

Consider this:

1 I Have receipts from petrol stations for loads of white (Full tax paid Diesel)
2 I have receipts from petrol stations for a much smaller amount of red diesel

If I argue that the red diesel was bought to power my boat heater, Fridge, Hot water etc who can prove otherwise. If I argue that a lot of the white diesel I bought went into the boat who can prove it didnt

I probably have 50 times the number of white diesel receipts I have compared to red so way below the theoretical 60/40 split
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Whilst I appreciate that you probably won't get 'caught', if I understand you correctly you're still putting 100% red in your boat which is not legal (unless you never go anywhere).
 
petem said:
Whilst I appreciate that you probably won't get 'caught', if I understand you correctly you're still putting 100% red in your boat which is not legal (unless you never go anywhere).
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What I am actually doing is not the issue and only I know that. It is the evidence I have

I have receipts for lots of white diesel, I have receipts for some red diesel. Of my boat usage I can argue that say 80 % is on white diesel and 20 % is on red diesel. Who could prove me wrong. Is this what I am doing ?

When I bought the boat it had already had red in so the tanks are coloured and you cant get rid of it

There is no rule that says you have to buy from a marine outlet

When you buy fuel you don't have to state what it is for or have that put on the receipt
 
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Bigplumbs said:
On the illegal front have you ever gone over 30 in a 30 limit
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Of course I have but I try not to.

However, my interpretation of your statement "I also of course put some full tax diesel in my boat so as to ensure that I am legal and only using the red for the legal purposes" and your later posts don't seem to be entirely consistent.

But I'm not going to lecture anyone about what tax they should or shouldn't be paying.

Pete
 
petem said:
Of course I have but I try not to.

However, my interpretation of your statement "I also of course put some full tax diesel in my boat so as to ensure that I am legal and only using the red for the legal purposes" and your later posts don't seem to be entirely consistent.

But I'm not going to lecture anyone about what tax they should or shouldn't be paying.

Pete
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Thanks for that

All I was trying to do is alert people to how they can save some money boating and remain legal based on the evidence they have.

Of course having a load of receipts for fuel even if they do say 60/40 on them in no way proves what has or hasn't gone in the boat. Once the dye is there it is there
 
Bigplumbs said:
What I am actually doing is not the issue and only I know that. It is the evidence I have

I have receipts for lots of white diesel, I have receipts for some red diesel. Of my boat usage I can argue that say 80 % is on white diesel and 20 % is on red diesel. Who could prove me wrong. Is this what I am doing ?

When I bought the boat it had already had red in so the tanks are coloured and you cant get rid of it

There is no rule that says you have to buy from a marine outlet

When you buy fuel you don't have to state what it is for or have that put on the receipt
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Thats all well and good, but what about when they say "OK Mr Plumbs, can we now see the fuel receipts for your diesel car/van please"
 
CLB said:
Thats all well and good, but what about when they say "OK Mr Plumbs, can we now see the fuel receipts for your diesel car/van please"
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I will show them to them and there will be plenty of them despite the fact that I am not required to keep any...
 
Never mind Mr Plumb's taxes, I'm a bit surprised to hear of a red diesel pump at a supermarket. I've only seen them (and then very occasionally) at rural independent garages.

Pete
 
Bigplumbs said:
Thanks for that

All I was trying to do is alert people to how they can save some money boating and remain legal based on the evidence they have.

Of course having a load of receipts for fuel even if they do say 60/40 on them in no way proves what has or hasn't gone in the boat. Once the dye is there it is there
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Its called boating on a shoestring
 
stelican said:
My understanding is that that you are not permitted to put red diesel in a private pleasure boat.
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Not so.
Putting it in is perfectly legal in the UK.
Using it for domestic purposes attracts less duty compared to using it for propulsion.
The morrisons price seems to be at the domestic rate ?
 
stelican said:
My understanding is that that you are not permitted to put red diesel in a private pleasure boat.
If you put it in a car there are very serious repercussions so be careful and probably best not to spout off on here about it.
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Your understanding is incorrect in the UK. Most diesel boats in the UK have at some time or still do run on diesel that is coloured red. Weather all the uses are legal on the boat and what tax has been paid is a different matter but the following uses are I understand legal

A For Heating
B For Refrigeration
C For Hot water

Use for Propulsion is not legal. No we don't have separate tanks and that is where the problems started and also because many boats used red diesel when it was legal to do so and hence their tanks are now stained with the dye.
 
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MartynG said:
Not so.
Putting it in is perfectly legal in the UK.
Using it for domestic purposes attracts less duty compared to using it for propulsion.
The morrisons price seems to be at the domestic rate ?
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I think that people on here are not clear that there are many many engines in the UK that can legally use red diesel including Marine ones. Morrisons are providing for these not just for boats For example

1 Most construction site machines
2 Most Farm machines
3 Commercial Fishing Boats I think
4 Pleasure craft subject to certain conditions regarding what it is used for on the boat
5 Many Stationary engines
These are just some that spring to mind
 
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I think the answer is to put 20 ltrs or red in 2 cans and at the same time put 30 ltrs of white in 3 cans and fill from these. This way you will be at the 60/40 split. Keep the receipts and all should be legal. If there is no marina diesel near you and you cant buy 60/40 from a petrol station what else can you do
 
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