Pete7
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How about a Dyneema soft shackle?
You will also find retrieving a rode with 6mm chain is a real breeze compared to retrieving 8mm chain. The latter becomes increasing hard work, especially at 2am when you decide enough is enough and you will re-anchor somewhere more sheltered. . We use 6mm chain on a 38' cat and I have retrieved the old 8mm and the new 6mm and I have easily convinced myself which I really prefer.
I'd tend to focus my attention in terms of length of chain to thinking that most of the time you will use all chain, so what sort of depth might that involve and simply have the rope spliced on, or a simply eye ready to attach a shackle at the bitter end, and then you will only use the rope in the extremes.
How about a Dyneema soft shackle?
Thank you for your detailed post – as I read it at least partly in reply to my post #14. Just a couple of comments.
To the above:
Unless I'm totally mistaken, the weight of the chain will in practice only become an issue once the anchor is broken free and the anchor + chain is to be lifted from the seabed. Up until that point I would argue that the weight of the chain is more or less irrelevant. What decides how hard work it is pulling the boat would be displacement + impact of windage, waves and current.
The only drawback that I can see in choosing 8mm chain over 6mm is therefore that the heavier chain somewhat restricts maximum anchoring depth (especially important in tidal waters of course).
So, in the context of this thread (single handed, no windlass, strong wind/current) one question that could be posed is this: Which part of the retrieving process is the more strenuous – pulling the boat or lifting the anchor + chain? In my experience it is clearly the former.
For this reason I think the choice between chain sizes has more to do with possible anchoring depths than with ease of retrieving.
(Added weight in the bow may also be a drawback of a heavier chain, but I already touched upon this in my post #3).
Just to demonstrate how differently one can consider these questions: When I set up my mixed rode (20m of 8mm chain + 45m of 14mm octoplait) my thinking was exactly the opposite. I figured I would use less than 20m (all chain) only occasionally, like in a tight or crowded anchorage, modest water depth, light weather. My preferred rode in normal conditions would always be 20m chain + a few metres of rope (for quiet at night).
In heavier weather I put out more rope (10, 20, 30m...) and get a correspondingly increased snubbing effect.
It is correct that you are only lifting a few metres of chain - but its amazing how heavy those few metres become if you are retrieving 40m of 8mm (hence suggesting 6mm).
This is where I don't follow.
Take two identical sailing boats anchored side by side in the same bay, 50m apart, 30 knots of wind over their decks, both laying to 40m of chain in water 5m deep. On each foredeck a single hander is preparing to retrieve the rode. One boat has 8mm chain, the other has 6mm.
At the outset, the pulling force on these two rodes must be more or less identical. If there is a slight difference, it should be to the advantage of the boat with the heavier chain, as the more pronounced catenary should somewhat reduce the peak loads. Probably insignificant.
Now the two men start pulling in chain. They have boats of identical displacement and windage. I fail to see a physical explanation for why the man pulling the 8mm chain should have a have a harder task than the man pulling the 6mm chain. The main effort for both men consists of getting and keeping the 3 t boat moving against the force of the 30 knot wind, doesn't it?
Which should be identical, because the boats are.
Or have I got this all wrong?
Me too - that's why I downsized!I've retrieved both 8mm and 6mm chain - I know what I prefer.
Johnathan, you have lost me. Why is it difficult and why are you doing it at night in the rain. Here is a link to a 6mm chain size. Why can't a 6mm piece of Dyneema be threaded through a 8mm hole whilst sat in a marina in the sunshine?As, I think, already mentioned threading a soft shackle through a 6mm link is quite difficult (the links are so small). The issue gets worse if you are trying to do this one rainy night with a bit of chop.
Jonathan
Because anyone with any sense has filled that 8mm hole with an 8mm shackle pin?Johnathan, you have lost me. Why is it difficult and why are you doing it at night in the rain. Here is a link to a 6mm chain size. Why can't a 6mm piece of Dyneema be threaded through a 8mm hole whilst sat in a marina in the sunshine?
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Because anyone with any sense has filled that 8mm hole with an 8mm shackle pin?
Dyneema is luvly stuff, it is mildly chafe resistant, it is not chafe-proof.
I think you'd be potty to use it on an anchor that's going to get dragged through the seabed.
6mm hooped shackle with 8mm straight shackle through it an anchor? Dont use cord, even strong but brittle stuff like dyneemaI am going through a similar exercise for my Sadler 25, I had thought to reduce from 8mm to 7mm, but from this thread am now considering 20m of 6mm which is twice the length of 8mm I have and porbably slightly lighter. I was then going to add 30m of octoplait for those occaisions I need more. Ths challenge I am now working through is how to shackle the anchor to the chain as anything small enough to go through 6mm chain will be way too small to through the anchor slot where I need something like a 15mm gap to get over the slot corner to outer shank corner distance?
6mm hooped shackle with 8mm straight shackle through it an anchor? Dont use cord, even strong but brittle stuff like dyneema
Johnathan, you have lost me. Why is it difficult and why are you doing it at night in the rain. Here is a link to a 6mm chain size. Why can't a 6mm piece of Dyneema be threaded through a 8mm hole whilst sat in a marina in the sunshine?
6mm DIN766 Lofrans Grade 40 Calibrated Anchor Chain
You still need to lift the chain from the seabed to the bow roller (and from the bow roller to your hands). So say 10m is off the seabed you are still lifting 10m, or 8kg of 6mm or 14.5kg of 8mm chain until the chain is vertical and you are breaking out the anchor and then its, say 5m + the weight of the anchor. There is no respite you can stop for a rest (unless you have some sort of chain lock). Additionally you will need to pull the yacht forward. If the wind is stronger and the amount of chain hanging in its catenary is longer then you need to lift more (because more chain is off the seabed and the stronger wind increases the tension).
So the gap is 18.5 x 8mm. 6mm of the gap will be taken by the previous link leaving about 12mm give or take.
Agreed, I would also use a shackle pin but the question was raised because apparently he can't.
Pete