Denmark - over wintering

[All_at_Sea]

We aim to sail around Denmark this summer but would consider leaving the boat up there over the winter. Is anyone up that way and could recommend a yard for haul out and storage? Or have you done this already and could help with some contact details?

 

[ChromeDome]

Might be able to help you.

Where about in Denmark would you leave it?

Do you want to leave it on the hard with the mast up?

Which facilities on site? Access by car/train other? Proximity to airport?

Want someone to keep an eye on it?

Budget?

 

[All_at_Sea]

Hello
Have PM'd you

 

[dunedin]

The Cruising Association have an excellent guide to places for over wintering in Scandinavia - as well as information on cruising harbours etc.
A lot of CA members seem to over winter in Augustenborg on Als, though not been there myself.

 

[ChromeDome]

Hello
Have PM'd you

Responded

 

[Frayed Knot]

We overwintered at Augustenborg a few years back. Excellent place, super helpful & about a 2 1/2 hr bus journey to Esbjerg for ferry or airport.

 

[All_at_Sea]

Great thanks l will try them too

 

[dunedin]

As well as Denmark, a lot of people over winter boats in Baltic Germany - such as Fehmarn. Potentially easier connections back to the UK and sometimes lower prices.

 

[ChromeDome]

As well as Denmark, a lot of people over winter boats in Baltic Germany - such as Fehmarn. Potentially easier connections back to the UK and sometimes lower prices.

Yes, and if moving further east some of the then DDR cities may have offerings. Like Rostock.

 

[davidej]

We overwintered at Rendsburg in Germany on the Kiel canal. We were one of the very few boats not in a heated shed. Very efficient but very regimented. PM if you want details

Beware you need to book well in advance. Most yards we contacted were fully booked.

 

[davidej]

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[aistis]

Maybe some know how long a boat with UK flag and registration can stay in DK? I am thinking to move from UK to DK , but don't really wanna pay VAT I am a bit lost now with all the Brexit things happening. Any information appreciated.

 

[ChromeDome]

Hmm.

The customs view would be that anything (formally) imported will incur VAT and duties (if any). OTOH anything exported from the UK would potentially incur a refund of UK VAT.

Your question may be answered by EU rules rather than DK rules.

If serious about it send me a PM and I'll get in touch with the authorities for you.

 

[dunedin]

Maybe some know how long a boat with UK flag and registration can stay in DK? I am thinking to move from UK to DK , but don't really wanna pay VAT I am a bit lost now with all the Brexit things happening. Any information appreciated.

The registration state (“flag”) generally has no relevance. Assuming from your post the boat was in the UK on 31/12/20 and therefore doesn’t have EU VAT status, it can generally be brought into EU waters for up to 18 months without being liable for VAT. Can reset clock by leaving EU for even a short period (e.g. a day)
This also assumes you are a UK (or at least non EU) resident.
But regarding skipper and crew, the Schengen rules limit non-EU residents to only 90 in 180 days, and no quick way to reset the clock.
NB. There are other quirks/ special cases that could apply, but to keep simple leave for now.

 

[aistis]

The registration state (“flag”) generally has no relevance. Assuming from your post the boat was in the UK on 31/12/20 and therefore doesn’t have EU VAT status, it can generally be brought into EU waters for up to 18 months without being liable for VAT. Can reset clock by leaving EU for even a short period (e.g. a day)
This also assumes you are a UK (or at least non EU) resident.
But regarding skipper and crew, the Schengen rules limit non-EU residents to only 90 in 180 days, and no quick way to reset the clock.
NB. There are other quirks/ special cases that could apply, but to keep simple leave for now.

Thanks for info. I am actually a EU resident just buying a boat from UK , but I doubt if that changes anything.

 

[Ningaloo]

Thanks for info. I am actually a EU resident just buying a boat from UK , but I doubt if that changes anything.

Unfortunately it does. If you are an EU resident you cannot avoid VAT which will be due immediately on bringing the boat into EU waters.
Rediculously, you may also need to pay to have a UK boat certified that it meets CE regulations. RYA has more details.

 

[Koeketiene]

Unfortunately it does. If you are an EU resident you cannot avoid VAT which will be due immediately on bringing the boat into EU waters.
Rediculously, you may also need to pay to have a UK boat certified that it meets CE regulations. RYA has more details.

In the EU, the rule 'VAT deemed paid due to age' still applies.
On midnight 31/12/1992, the UK was a EU member.

All yachts built in or brought into the EU on or after 1 January 1985 must be able to prove their VAT paid status. A boat built before this date is deemed to have VAT paid status if it was in private ownership and within the EU at midnight on 31 December 1992.

Similarly, older boats are exempt CE.

 

[ChromeDome]

Similarly, older boats are exempt CE.

Not the boat age, rather the date it is put into service within the EU.

So must be CE if the vessel is 2.5 to 24 metres long and placed on the market or put into service in an EU country or in Iceland and Norway for the first time after 16 June 1998.

 

[dunedin]

Thanks for info. I am actually a EU resident just buying a boat from UK , but I doubt if that changes anything.

Sadly as Ningaloo says this makes a huge difference if planning to buy a boat in the UK and then take back to the EU.
Unless a very unique craft perhaps better looking at boats already in EU with EU VAT paid status.

 

[st599]

In the EU, the rule 'VAT deemed paid due to age' still applies.
On midnight 31/12/1992, the UK was a EU member.



Similarly, older boats are exempt CE.

If the boat wasn't in the EU on B-day, then it lost its EU VAT status. It's now UK VAT paid. For CE (and UKCA) it has to comply with the most recent version on the date of import.
More details at: https://www.rya.org.uk/news/rya-and...tial-new-costs-of-trading-second-hand-vessels