ContessaBob
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Hi all, Can anyone tell me where I can purchase Industrial Metholated Spirit. I hve applied for a licence to H M Customs & Excise. This is for use in an Origo 3000 burner. Thanks Bob
Denatured alcohol/IMS
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mariog
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we buy it from the pharmacy in Italy as we sail regularly there as we are based in Malta
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Chrusty1
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On receipt of your licence take it to your local chemist / Pharmacy, they will order it for you, but you may have to collect it on the day that it comes in, because they don't like storing flammables overnight.
Fascadale
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Hi
What did you give as a reason for wanting the IMS. I seem to remember saying that I wanted it for cooking purposes. I was knocked back.
I think I might apply again so would be interested in what has worked for you.
Thanks
What did you give as a reason for wanting the IMS. I seem to remember saying that I wanted it for cooking purposes. I was knocked back.
I think I might apply again so would be interested in what has worked for you.
Thanks
Bilgediver
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Check your yellow pages for an industrial chemical supplier.
get the lower % one of the two I think it is about 92% .
Much better than that stinky meths /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
get the lower % one of the two I think it is about 92% .
Much better than that stinky meths /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
VicS
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This is for use in an Origo 3000 burner
[/ QUOTE ] That's not an approved use so you will not get authorisation. If you had said it was for a model steam engine (for which the makers specify it) that would be different.
BTW C&E now known as HM Revenue and Customs.
IMS now known as Industrial denatured alcohol (IDA)
Mineralised methylated spirit now known as Completely denatured alcohol (CDA)
CDA is the stuff you will be expected to use in an Origo cooker
All you could wish to know and loads you wont HERE
This is for use in an Origo 3000 burner
[/ QUOTE ] That's not an approved use so you will not get authorisation. If you had said it was for a model steam engine (for which the makers specify it) that would be different.
BTW C&E now known as HM Revenue and Customs.
IMS now known as Industrial denatured alcohol (IDA)
Mineralised methylated spirit now known as Completely denatured alcohol (CDA)
CDA is the stuff you will be expected to use in an Origo cooker
All you could wish to know and loads you wont HERE
graham
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I haved used ordinary british purple meths for 10 years and dont find it unpleasant.We usually have the washboards out for ventilation,I wouldnt want to cook for more than a few minutes with the cabin closed up with gas either.
I also use french alcol abruler 90%as its cheaper but it smells more .
I also use french alcol abruler 90%as its cheaper but it smells more .
Alfie168
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Some say if you mix between 5 and 10% water in with your blue meths it lessens the pong. I havn't tried it yet on my Origo, but will do sometime.
We Brits can't be trusted with this alcohol stuff doncherknow. We could be ruffians who find improper uses for it. ( I don't mind if I do, mines a double)
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Tim
We Brits can't be trusted with this alcohol stuff doncherknow. We could be ruffians who find improper uses for it. ( I don't mind if I do, mines a double)
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Tim
Poignard
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Vic
What is Isopropyl Alcohol? Is that safe/satisfactory to use as a fuel?
What is Isopropyl Alcohol? Is that safe/satisfactory to use as a fuel?
VicS
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What is Isopropyl Alcohol
[/ QUOTE ] Its the next one in the series. Methanol is the first (CH3OH) Ethanol is the second (C2H5OH)
Propanol is next but there are two isomers. N-propanol and iso-propanol (or isopropyl alcohol) which are more correctly named propan-1-ol and propan-2-ol.
Both have the formula C3H7OH but in propanol -1-ol the OH group is on the end of the chain of three carbons but in propan-2-ol it is on the middle one.
Well you did ask!
IPA is safe as a fuel AFAIK but it does have a lower occupational exposure limit (400ppm vs 1000ppm) than ethanol. It has the same or similar data for flash-point upper and lower flammability limits and only a slightly higher boiling point. However it has a slightly stronger and more pungent odour than pure ethanol or IDA that some people might find unpleasant. It is also more inclined to deposit carbon.
What is Isopropyl Alcohol
[/ QUOTE ] Its the next one in the series. Methanol is the first (CH3OH) Ethanol is the second (C2H5OH)
Propanol is next but there are two isomers. N-propanol and iso-propanol (or isopropyl alcohol) which are more correctly named propan-1-ol and propan-2-ol.
Both have the formula C3H7OH but in propanol -1-ol the OH group is on the end of the chain of three carbons but in propan-2-ol it is on the middle one.
Well you did ask!
IPA is safe as a fuel AFAIK but it does have a lower occupational exposure limit (400ppm vs 1000ppm) than ethanol. It has the same or similar data for flash-point upper and lower flammability limits and only a slightly higher boiling point. However it has a slightly stronger and more pungent odour than pure ethanol or IDA that some people might find unpleasant. It is also more inclined to deposit carbon.
Poignard
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..occupational exposure limit ...
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Wassat?
I use IPA for removing water from metal components that have been cleaned in an ultrasonic tank containing a mixture of water, ammonia and soap. It's a couple of years since I bought any but I had no trouble buying it then. I was wondering if those who need alcohol for their cookers might be able to use it but I didn't want to suggest that, in case it's not safe.
You have suggested it is so, if they immolate themselves, they can sue you instead of me! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
..occupational exposure limit ...
[/ QUOTE ]
Wassat?
I use IPA for removing water from metal components that have been cleaned in an ultrasonic tank containing a mixture of water, ammonia and soap. It's a couple of years since I bought any but I had no trouble buying it then. I was wondering if those who need alcohol for their cookers might be able to use it but I didn't want to suggest that, in case it's not safe.
You have suggested it is so, if they immolate themselves, they can sue you instead of me! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
VicS
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Wassat?
[/ QUOTE ] Was once known as the "Threshold Limit Value" (TLV) later as the "Occupational Exposure Limit " (OEL) and now the "Workplace Exposure Limit" it seems.
Basically it is the maximum allowable concentration in the atmosphere in the workplace and enforced via by the "Control of Substance Hazardous to Heath Regulations" (COSHH) (q.v.)
For many substances two figures are given one a long term limit (an 8 hour time weighted average) and the other a short term limit (a 15minute period), All listed in EH40/2005 (q.v.)
As you have found it is relatively easy to purchase as it is not encumbered by all the red tape surrounding the purchase of denatured ethanol. It is still a highly flammable liquid so its use and storage are still subject to the provisions of the "Highly Flammable Liquid and Liquefied Petroleum Gases Regulations" (q.v.)
I think though that people will not find IPA acceptable as an alternative to meths in their Origo cookers for the reasons I have given, could well be wrong though.
Personally I'll stick to gas.
Wassat?
[/ QUOTE ] Was once known as the "Threshold Limit Value" (TLV) later as the "Occupational Exposure Limit " (OEL) and now the "Workplace Exposure Limit" it seems.
Basically it is the maximum allowable concentration in the atmosphere in the workplace and enforced via by the "Control of Substance Hazardous to Heath Regulations" (COSHH) (q.v.)
For many substances two figures are given one a long term limit (an 8 hour time weighted average) and the other a short term limit (a 15minute period), All listed in EH40/2005 (q.v.)
As you have found it is relatively easy to purchase as it is not encumbered by all the red tape surrounding the purchase of denatured ethanol. It is still a highly flammable liquid so its use and storage are still subject to the provisions of the "Highly Flammable Liquid and Liquefied Petroleum Gases Regulations" (q.v.)
I think though that people will not find IPA acceptable as an alternative to meths in their Origo cookers for the reasons I have given, could well be wrong though.
Personally I'll stick to gas.