tyce
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anyone have any opinions good or bad
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dehler 25
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weaver_fish
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Lift keel or fixed?
moonie1
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Great little boats. Quick and safe. Only downside is the size of the cabin. Cheap to keep, as she stays on the trailer when not in use.
tyce
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lift keel, how do they do when the going gets a liitle rough
moonie1
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I have had mine out in F7 and know of others been in F8 with no problems . Van de Stadt has designed some good boats,this being one of them. The only thing I'm changing is the mast raising system. At the moment I use the winch from the cockpit but would like to contol it forward of the mast for safety reasons.
The drop keel works on a worm drive so many many turns are needed with the winch handle to get the keel up and down.(normally get the wife to do this). Good trade off for not paying mooring fees though.
The drop keel works on a worm drive so many many turns are needed with the winch handle to get the keel up and down.(normally get the wife to do this). Good trade off for not paying mooring fees though.
weaver_fish
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People who are not in the know will go "Oooh, lift keel, water- ballast, bound to be tender" - but they will be very very wrong. I have a 22 and have sailed the 25 too and they are really excellent yachts. They are reasonable generously canvassed - but dropping down to the jib and with one reef ours flies up wind in a F5-6 with no worries. The build quality is really rather good and the rig is nice and tweaky and responds well to good sail trim.
The trailer system is excellent - works brilliantly and if you are thinking of the outboard version, the system works well and saves lots of £££ compared to having to mess around with engineers and servicing inboard diesels.
If you are looking for a boat that sails really well, looks sleek and is well engineered and can handle a breeze then it is an excellent choice. It is also about as economical as you can get in terms of running costs... cheap winter storage and no need to crane in and out and the mast raising system is totally easy to operate.
The negatives are limited head room and no seperate heads. This didnt bother me at all at first, but now I have started overnighting with the kids, it is a bit of a pain porta pottying it for them in the middle of the night!
I would think that the key thing to consider when purchasing is the state of the keel lifting mechanism. I have some drawings if you want to see how it works. I put off servicing mine initially as I was a bit concerned about how it would all go together, but I got some instructions from a German company that keeps a stock of all the spares and had them translated by someone at work. The anticipation was far worse than the actual deed itself and now its nice to know it is all A1. Make sure there is no seepage of water around the bottom of the keel case inside the boat too.
http://www.marina-grossenbrode.de/ are the guys who have all the spares.
also, www.dehlya.de has a lot of info.
Things to look out for..... the deck fittings are stainless into aluminium so if the first owner didnt go liberal with the zinc-chromate you might get some corrosion with the deck plates.
Also the front and back of the keel are supported by stainless fittings - the front with a roller, the back with some low friction cheeks. On mine these were heavily corroded (after 15 years) and needed to be replaced.
Finally, if you are going to keep on a mooring, consider how you will antifoul the keel... of course it will be buried in the keel case and you wont be able to get to it on the trailer. The joy of having it on a trailer is that you can find a cheap hoist - so we get a lift in the winter for £50 and can get round the problem that way.
Also, I have heard of some boats where the deck under the tabernacle has got saturated and the ply gets wet and compressed - BAD - see the Dehlya website for some scary pics. Mine was fine, but well worth checking around the tabernacle carefully.
Good luck. I dont think you'll regret it - excellent boats
The trailer system is excellent - works brilliantly and if you are thinking of the outboard version, the system works well and saves lots of £££ compared to having to mess around with engineers and servicing inboard diesels.
If you are looking for a boat that sails really well, looks sleek and is well engineered and can handle a breeze then it is an excellent choice. It is also about as economical as you can get in terms of running costs... cheap winter storage and no need to crane in and out and the mast raising system is totally easy to operate.
The negatives are limited head room and no seperate heads. This didnt bother me at all at first, but now I have started overnighting with the kids, it is a bit of a pain porta pottying it for them in the middle of the night!
I would think that the key thing to consider when purchasing is the state of the keel lifting mechanism. I have some drawings if you want to see how it works. I put off servicing mine initially as I was a bit concerned about how it would all go together, but I got some instructions from a German company that keeps a stock of all the spares and had them translated by someone at work. The anticipation was far worse than the actual deed itself and now its nice to know it is all A1. Make sure there is no seepage of water around the bottom of the keel case inside the boat too.
http://www.marina-grossenbrode.de/ are the guys who have all the spares.
also, www.dehlya.de has a lot of info.
Things to look out for..... the deck fittings are stainless into aluminium so if the first owner didnt go liberal with the zinc-chromate you might get some corrosion with the deck plates.
Also the front and back of the keel are supported by stainless fittings - the front with a roller, the back with some low friction cheeks. On mine these were heavily corroded (after 15 years) and needed to be replaced.
Finally, if you are going to keep on a mooring, consider how you will antifoul the keel... of course it will be buried in the keel case and you wont be able to get to it on the trailer. The joy of having it on a trailer is that you can find a cheap hoist - so we get a lift in the winter for £50 and can get round the problem that way.
Also, I have heard of some boats where the deck under the tabernacle has got saturated and the ply gets wet and compressed - BAD - see the Dehlya website for some scary pics. Mine was fine, but well worth checking around the tabernacle carefully.
Good luck. I dont think you'll regret it - excellent boats
homa
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After looking for a lift keeler in the 25' range this came out as my top boat for seaworthiness, and all round good looks with some clever design.
Never bought one because it was just outside my budget at the time.
Also has a stub keel so wouldn't take the ground upright.
Some have separate piggy-back launching trolleys mounted on the road trailer. Looks good but some report that it can be rather tricky recovering in any current.
My local broker sells these more than any other in this size. They're brought over from the continent where they fetch a better price here.
Note if it's a "Dehler" then it's factory finished, if it's a "Dehlya" then it's a home finish.
Clever mast lowering and transport.
Was told that they were a good sea boat, though unfortunately I never got to sail in one.
They're ballasted, so lower trailable weight. I have a swinging mooring,so was planning to ballast with fresh water to keep the ballast tank clean of plant life.
Never bought one because it was just outside my budget at the time.
Also has a stub keel so wouldn't take the ground upright.
Some have separate piggy-back launching trolleys mounted on the road trailer. Looks good but some report that it can be rather tricky recovering in any current.
My local broker sells these more than any other in this size. They're brought over from the continent where they fetch a better price here.
Note if it's a "Dehler" then it's factory finished, if it's a "Dehlya" then it's a home finish.
Clever mast lowering and transport.
Was told that they were a good sea boat, though unfortunately I never got to sail in one.
They're ballasted, so lower trailable weight. I have a swinging mooring,so was planning to ballast with fresh water to keep the ballast tank clean of plant life.
Alfie168
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Stupid Question Department.
What is..and how do you operate..the much vaunted Dehler Mast Raising System....I've got a 22 and i'd appreciate if someone who knows would spell it out to me in very simple language. It could save me a lot of headscratching
Tim
What is..and how do you operate..the much vaunted Dehler Mast Raising System....I've got a 22 and i'd appreciate if someone who knows would spell it out to me in very simple language. It could save me a lot of headscratching
Tim
dehler Mackay
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This was a long time ago but I see you are still active , don't suppose you have the keel removal instructions for the dehler 25 in English still ?People who are not in the know will go "Oooh, lift keel, water- ballast, bound to be tender" - but they will be very very wrong. I have a 22 and have sailed the 25 too and they are really excellent yachts. They are reasonable generously canvassed - but dropping down to the jib and with one reef ours flies up wind in a F5-6 with no worries. The build quality is really rather good and the rig is nice and tweaky and responds well to good sail trim.
The trailer system is excellent - works brilliantly and if you are thinking of the outboard version, the system works well and saves lots of £££ compared to having to mess around with engineers and servicing inboard diesels.
If you are looking for a boat that sails really well, looks sleek and is well engineered and can handle a breeze then it is an excellent choice. It is also about as economical as you can get in terms of running costs... cheap winter storage and no need to crane in and out and the mast raising system is totally easy to operate.
The negatives are limited head room and no seperate heads. This didnt bother me at all at first, but now I have started overnighting with the kids, it is a bit of a pain porta pottying it for them in the middle of the night!
I would think that the key thing to consider when purchasing is the state of the keel lifting mechanism. I have some drawings if you want to see how it works. I put off servicing mine initially as I was a bit concerned about how it would all go together, but I got some instructions from a German company that keeps a stock of all the spares and had them translated by someone at work. The anticipation was far worse than the actual deed itself and now its nice to know it is all A1. Make sure there is no seepage of water around the bottom of the keel case inside the boat too.
Marina Großenbrode - marina grossenbode - Marina Großenbrode are the guys who have all the spares.
also, www.dehlya.de has a lot of info.
Things to look out for..... the deck fittings are stainless into aluminium so if the first owner didnt go liberal with the zinc-chromate you might get some corrosion with the deck plates.
Also the front and back of the keel are supported by stainless fittings - the front with a roller, the back with some low friction cheeks. On mine these were heavily corroded (after 15 years) and needed to be replaced.
Finally, if you are going to keep on a mooring, consider how you will antifoul the keel... of course it will be buried in the keel case and you wont be able to get to it on the trailer. The joy of having it on a trailer is that you can find a cheap hoist - so we get a lift in the winter for £50 and can get round the problem that way.
Also, I have heard of some boats where the deck under the tabernacle has got saturated and the ply gets wet and compressed - BAD - see the Dehlya website for some scary pics. Mine was fine, but well worth checking around the tabernacle carefully.
Good luck. I dont think you'll regret it - excellent boats
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