Defending their honour.

[Baggywrinkle]

On the chopping block. Funny how General motors, Ford's, Volkswagon, Toyota and most others have still failed to find a suitable replacement, and fit LA as original equipment.
If I had shares in LA batteries I would be hanging on for another decade.

I think I am reasonably qualified to say "bollocks" to that statement - and I now agree with @Caladh that you most probably are just trolling.

For the benefit of anyone reading this thread who is wondering about the future of lead acid batteries, we (the automakers) do have replacements planned as, apart form LA batteries being crap for modern cars with large electrical systems, we have to respond to this ....

EU Battery Regulation 2023/1542: obligations and updates

The stipulation that LA batteries must contain 85% recycled lead in 2028 will have an negativre effect on LA lifetime cost - they are already a costly warranty item, and require an energy management system to prevent them getting too flat if the vehicle is not regularly driven, or is driven but in a "delivery vehicle" drive cycle, where the engine is continuously started and stopped, the vehicle is never switched off, and the time between start-stop cycles is short. This kills LA batteries as they can't be deeply discharged without risking warranty claims.

Another interesting fact, ever wondered why your car re-starts the engine at traffic lights for no reason? It's the energy management logic re-starting the engine to avoid battery drain. In vehicles with electric assisted steering, a tug on the wheel will also re-start the engine as this pushes the current draw high enough to require the alternator.

All auto manufacturers are continually evaluating the alternatives as we all have the same problems with LA.

The moment Li (or something else) becomes financially viable from a lifetime cost perspective will be the end of LA in cars, period - LA is not a great technology for modern cars.

 

[PabloPicasso]

Tis true. I've had more starting issues with the failure of LA batts in cars over the last 20 years than anything else.

I've had an alternator fail on a boat and melt the battery so its sides were bowing out (lucky it didnt leak, "few").

And a car alternator fail and destroy the LA batt through over charging, although it did keep putting the car into "get you home mode". Interesting that the Ford main dealer couldn't find the issue despite several trips to the garage. Eventually I put a circiuit tester on the LA and the volts were way high.

A mate's dad swapped the alternator and belt as I didn't trust the main dealer any more.

My newer Honda hybrid is just fantastic in comparison to my 2006 ford focus. Tech moves on and we reap the benefits.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

How did you turn a discussion on lithium into an argument about sh1tty modern boats against superior older boats

I noticed you were watching this thread, so when I saw your second response to the post before mine, I thought I'd post something about MABs to see if you'd bite ... it worked, and on the very next post .... as a bonus, it was a perfect example of cognitive dissonance - you know deep down that modern boats are better don't you?

 

[SaltIre]

Reading loads of previous threads and this message most people have to write a book to justify their choice of lifepo3.
Nobody just nobody can simply say in a few simple words
"there good aren't they"

Where good are they?

 

[geem]

I noticed you were watching this thread, so when I saw your second response to the post before mine, I thought I'd post something about MABs to see if you'd bite ... it worked, and on the very next post .... as a bonus, it was a perfect example of cognitive dissonance - you know deep down that modern boats are better don't you?

Bow locks. You know deep down that their not don't you?

 

[Baggywrinkle]

Bow locks. You know deep down that their not don't you?

Sorry to be pedantic, but it's "they're" not "their". ...

I guess we are both very happy with our choices, so probably best just to leave it at that.

 

[Sailing steve]

Bow locks. You know deep down that their not don't you?

Oooo listen up Chaps.

If anybody wants to know more they're having a discussion about their boat batteries over there.

 

[geem]

Oooo listen up Chaps.

If anybody wants to know more they're having a discussion about their boat batteries over there.

It's nice that we have so much to fall out about

 

[thinwater]

Reading loads of previous threads and this message most people have to write a book to justify their choice of lifepo3.
Nobody just nobody can simply say in a few simple words
"there good aren't they"

It is LiFePO4

Li = lithium
Fe=iron
PO4=phosphate (1 phosphorous and 4 oxygen)

"They're good, aren't they?" That is kind of like asking if Dyneema is good. It depends on how you will use it. For example, it is lethal as a climbing rope, but climbers use a lot of it for non-stretch applications. Some people like Dyneema for practically everything, but I'm more inclined to limit the uses on most boats. Like lithium.
Is Dyneema for everything?

I have had lithium and lead and they are both good, but you need to understand the differences to chose. If you need a simple answer, buy lead.

 

[Sailing steve]

It's nice that we have so much to fall out about

Yeahbutt nobody should be falling out over the basics of grammar that a reasonably smart 8 year old could offer tutelage on, and if they do come over all flighty then the the subtle nuances between different types of boat batteries isn't actually the first problem that needs attending to.

 

[geem]

Was I?

 

[Biggles Wader]

Yeahbutt nobody should be falling out over the basics of grammar that a reasonably smart 8 year old could offer tutelage on, and if they do come over all flighty then the the subtle nuances between different types of boat batteries isn't actually the first problem that needs attending to.

"Yeahbutt". See me after school.