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Broom or Princess.?
Always liked the quality and fit of the Broom Crown range. Problem is, most are still wheezing around on the ancient original engines virtually all of which must be very near to being pensioned off. There are no spares at all for one particular engine and spares merely extending the agony on other versions.
That only leaves a repower.
With a proper job probably needing 40K or more before fitting and gearbox sterngear mods spent on a 35 year old boat,it simply is not worth any prudent buyer even considering a Broom with Perkins power.
Asking prices would appear to be very optimistic if you take this into account.
At least with anything powered by Volvo you can pick up the phone and keep your boat moving ?
Comments welcome,especially from Broom owners.
 
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Most of the Perkins powered ones are in the doldrums nowadays, as the obsolete engines match the dated interior perfectly.

While the design is sound, almost everything about most of them is totally outdated, stale and musty.

A nice sharp Volvo powered one makes sense, but be aware the TAMD40's are mid 80's and parts cost a bomb, although you do get a very nice smooth pair of sixes to purr around in!

Worth 'nicking' a Perkins powered one however, seeing how long you can keep it going for while saving for a repower!? I reckon a good Perkins still has a few years left, especially if you keep an eye on Ebay for a good cheap used one to use for spares/replacement!?
 
Had a pair of AQD40A in my old Princess.Over 4000 hours when we sold her.
You could still get stuff such as heat exchanger matrix from Sweden in a couple of days,the price was eyewatering but was still available.
Have just had a look on the Lancing Marine website and you can get a brand new 6 cylinder 200 hp lump for around 9k assume the real problem would be fitting the things under the floorboards and matching gearboxes and props/shafts.?
 
Give AR Peachments up in Norfolk a call, agents for Nannis. If you have such a thing as facebook they have all the photos of how they installed twin 200hps in mine.. Their Installation fee was very reasonable. I will PM you what it cost.
 
My Perkins lumps are older than me and have never missed a beat. Why are you selling Sarah T, OG? She looks nicer than a lot of Brooms at that price.
With regards to some old boats looking stale and musty, that's the problem with the owners and not the vessels. The same sort of owner who'd live in a house that looked like a dated time warp and would consider a new build as the only way to modernity.
 
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oldgit said:
Broom or Princess.?
Always liked the quality and fit of the Broom Crown range. Problem is, most are still wheezing around on the ancient original engines virtually all of which must be very near to being pensioned off. There are no spares at all for one particular engine and spares merely extending the agony on other versions.
That only leaves a repower.
With a proper job probably needing 40K or more before fitting and gearbox sterngear mods spent on a 35 year old boat,it simply is not worth any prudent buyer even considering a Broom with Perkins power.
Asking prices would appear to be very optimistic if you take this into account.
At least with anything powered by Volvo you can pick up the phone and keep your boat moving ?
Comments welcome,especially from Broom owners.
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Bugger, I thought I had found a possible range of live aboards to return home to (Brooms, Ocean,Crown, Monarch etc). But isn't your boat for sale one fitted with Perkins? maybe I should look say motor caravans instead?
 
Robin said:
Bugger, I thought I had found a possible range of live aboards to return home to (Brooms, Ocean,Crown, Monarch etc). But isn't your boat for sale one fitted with Perkins? maybe I should look say motor caravans instead?
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Having sat on few docksides over the years sitting in the shade of a boat hull waiting for the bits/time/money to repair boat mechanicals,you do tend to focus on what is really important when purchasing a new boat.
Hull tend to be indestructable and interiors do not tend to prevent you actually casting off.
Engines and propulsion do.
The main/only reason we bought my present boat was a pair of brand new pristine current range Perkins M135 engines attached to a pair of brand new current range pair of Velvet Drive 72C hydraulic gearboxes all lurking in a immaculate engine room.
We have not missed a beat in 1000 hours of actually boating and with any luck could have another 4000 without major expenditure before us or any new owner. :)
OG heaven.
 
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oldgit said:
Having sat on few docksides over the years sitting in the shade of a boat hull waiting for the bits/time/money to repair boat mechanicals,you do tend to focus on what is really important when purchasing a new boat.
Hull tend to be indestructable and interiors do not tend to prevent you actually casting off.
Engines and propulsion do.
The main/only reason we bought my present boat was a pair of brand new pristine current range Perkins M135 engines attached to a pair of brand new current range pair of Velvet Drive 72C hydraulic gearboxes all lurking in a immaculate engine room.
We have not missed a beat in 1000 hours of actually boating and with any luck could have another 4000 without major expenditure before us or any new owner. :)
OG heaven.
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Understood. If we were free to buy right now that might make your current ride attractive, but sadly we are only just beginning entangling ourselves from life in Trumpland and yours may well be sold by the time we do. Good luck regardless.!
 
Robin !

Remember your departure ? and occasional post from the land of the free. Have visited Fl once or twice for both business and pleasure and fondly remember the days when the pound bought you 2 dollars and when it only bought you 1.
You shopped in the mart a little more carefully during the latter. :)
Can recall going to couple of shuttle launches as well.

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On the second launch reserved tickets with NASA and flew over especially to watch....
Cancelled about 30 secs before launch. Grrr......:)
People were paddling in the lakes ??? if that means anything to you.
 
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Re: Robin !

Live aboard will effectively come 'furnished' and serve as entertainment and what we save on horrendous US health insurance premiums will go well towards fuel and berthing costs especially if we can be cruising in the warmer months and just winter in marinas, probably France where leccy is included in their lower berth fees and helps with winter heating needs. Open minded re sail versus power but space and ease leans power way and we had a year on our then 47ft trawler here to learn the ropes a bit, before I had a stroke and spoiled things.

.3rd attempt at a reply, lost 2 and a half replies with finger trouble! Not seen a live launch yet. We are thinking of going back home and combining living and hobbying by living aboard again, on the power side various boats catch the eye online, notably brooms, crown, ocean, Monarchs, hence my ears pricked up with your thread here which makes a lot of sense. We sure cannot afford to make a bad buy when/if we do!. Our thinking is to be UK based but fully mobile in warmer months then to winter in a marina,, maybe France which is cheaper and leccy is included ( heaters and electric blankets) Brexit hit our remaining UK savings hard not to mention pensions and we spend most of what little gets here on expensive medical insurances and prescriptions. We sort of calculate that what we would save on medicals will pay berthing and fuel and even allow a bit for food. on even days!

Your thread re Brooms was a timely 'heads up', thank you

I hope this one gets posted before lost or auto save screwed up.
 
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Re: Robin !

I hope this one gets posted before lost or auto save screwed up.
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This post seems to have made it :)
Heaps of Aquafibre history out there.Aquafibre built hulls and superstructure for just about every builder in the early days including Broom,Princess,Fairline and Moonraker.Probably others lost in the mists of time.
The only other large sacle producer of glassfibre was Tylers of Tonbridge.
http://www.mby.com/news/aquafibre-a-look-back-9355
http://norfolk.broads.org.uk/wiki/index.php5?title=Aquafibre_of_Rackheath
 
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oldgit said:
This post seems to have made it :)
Heaps of Aquafibre history out there.Aquafibre built hulls and superstructure for just about every builder in the early days including Broom,Princess,Fairline and Moonraker.Probably others lost in the mists of time.
The only other large sacle producer of glassfibre was Tylers of Tonbridge.
http://www.mby.com/news/aquafibre-a-look-back-9355
http://norfolk.broads.org.uk/wiki/index.php5?title=Aquafibre_of_Rackheath
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Halmatic ?
 
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oldgit said:
This post seems to have made it :)
Heaps of Aquafibre history out there.Aquafibre built hulls and superstructure for just about every builder in the early days including Broom,Princess,Fairline and Moonraker.Probably others lost in the mists of time.
The only other large sacle producer of glassfibre was Tylers of Tonbridge.
http://www.mby.com/news/aquafibre-a-look-back-9355
http://norfolk.broads.org.uk/wiki/index.php5?title=Aquafibre_of_Rackheath
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Thanks, I have bookmarked those links to read later. I think my twitchy left hand hits the alt key occasionally uninvited or something that clears what I had typed to autosave.
 
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oldgit said:
Not sure about Halmatic but think you could add
Powles to the Aquafibre list.
Scale model of an Aquafibre/Broom hull being tank tested before production.
transoceantanktest-1.jpg

Probably a 36 or 37 ft hull,
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Again thanks, saved with the pics of your boat I already downloaded for reference, I like what I see, but as so often happens the timing is wrong for us . We don't need speed so much as comfy living and predictable and not excessive fuel consumprtion. We ran our so called 'fast trawler' here at 8-10kts cruise and around 8gph overall (US)for both (Cummins 250hp) engines and including the 7Kw generator which was not run 24/7 as we had huge solar panels too. It would manage 17kts WOT, if we had a tanker follow us around mind. It has occurred to me if we base close enough to Guernsey to make an occasional fuel up trip that even a planing whiz bang would work for us as long as we didn't go WOT all the way every time we go out Even thought a decent sailing cat would work as well as some obvious monos like Westerly Oceanlords etc.
 
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