Day skipper or Yachtmaster?

[alant]

The RYA website lists "Coastal Skipper" under courses and makes no mention of an exam, though it does say that candidates [are] often working towards a Certificate of Competence.

I can find no other mention on the RYA website of the "Certificate of Competence" associated with the Coastal Skipper course. It does not appear to be an ICC.

"Yachtmaster Coaster", on the other hand, is clearly an examination only (it is listed under exams) with a formal syllabus but no training element.

EVIDENCE OF COMPETENCE for ICC

"RYA National Powerboat Certificate (Inland) Level 2 or higher
RYA National Powerboat Certificate (Coastal) Level 2 or higher
Advanced Powerboat RYA/MCA Certificate of Competence
RYA Inland Waterways Helmsman Certificate
RYA Helmsman’s Course Completion Certificate
RYA Day Skipper / Coastal Skipper Practical Course Completion Certificate (Power)
RYA Day Skipper / Coastal Skipper Practical Course Completion Certificate (Sail)
Coastal Skipper / Yachtmaster® Coastal or higher RYA/MCA Certificate of Competence (Power)
Coastal Skipper / Yachtmaster® Coastal or higher RYA/MCA Certificate of Competence (Sail)
MCA Deck Officer Certificate of Competence (Any Grade)
Navy, Army or RAF Bridge Watchkeeping Certificate
MCA or Local Authority Boatman’s Licence
MCA Boatmaster Certificate
RYA Dinghy Instructor and National Powerboat Certificate Level 2 or higher
RYA Personal Watercraft Proficiency Certificate"

 

[Ubergeekian]

EVIDENCE OF COMPETENCE for ICC

Coastal Skipper / Yachtmaster® Coastal or higher RYA/MCA Certificate of Competence (Sail)

Thanks. However, I think that "/" refers to the change over time: what used to be a "Coastal Skipper Certificate of Competence", for which one did a Coastal Skipper exam is now a "Yachtmaster Coastal Certificate of Competence" for which one does the same exam, now renamed.

When they refer to candidates often working towards a Certificate of Competence I think they mean that people take the Coastal Skipper course in order to prepare for the Yachtmaster Coastal exam.

Which is all a bit daft. Why didn't they just rename the Coastal Skipper course the Yachtmaster Coastal course?

 

[jimi]

The RYA website lists "Coastal Skipper" under courses and makes no mention of an exam, though it does say that candidates [are] often working towards a Certificate of Competence.

I can find no other mention on the RYA website of the "Certificate of Competence" associated with the Coastal Skipper course. It does not appear to be an ICC.

"Yachtmaster Coaster", on the other hand, is clearly an examination only (it is listed under exams) with a formal syllabus but no training element.

dearie me, not another pedant but being truly pedantic you should have said coastal rather than coaster. A coaster is something that resides on a table .. a bit like some of the posters here I reckon!


see

http://www.rya.org.uk/coursestrainin...alskipper.aspx
as quoted on one of my first posts


the point is they've renamed the friggin exam

but there only ever has , and ther only is one practical exam with the words Coastal Skipper in it, its the same exam see earlier post.

the title is now prefixed by Yachtmaster in am attempt to avoid confusing the idiotic amongst us .. that I suspect is a forlorn hope!

 

[Ubergeekian]

but there only ever has , and ther only is one practical exam with the words Coastal Skipper in it, its the same exam see earlier post.

There is no practical exam with the words "Coastal Skipper" in it. There was.

 

[Bosun Higgs]

For the practical, first thing to decide is whereabouts? Not the North East where I live, I think - not only is it cold, but there's a dearth of places to go and a high risk of poor sea state preventing sailing at any time of the year.

If you do the YM practical, you might as well make it easier for yourself by chosing a time of year when the weather is more likely to be good and the nights shorter - say June - and a location down south which is more sheltered. The Solent maybe. The whole exercise is stressful enough without doing it in a howling gale in the middle of a long night and freezing cold!

 

[lustyd]

If you do the YM practical, you might as well make it easier for yourself by chosing a time of year when the weather is more likely to be good and the nights shorter - say June - and a location down south which is more sheltered. The Solent maybe. The whole exercise is stressful enough without doing it in a howling gale in the middle of a long night and freezing cold!

That's very good advice, but I would also make sure you know the area like the back of your hand so that all the nav exercises don't require quite so much nav. Book a week with a local and senior instructor who will know roughly what will be asked of you on the YM exam. For instance I was once asked to find a green post at night where the idea was to use a reciprocal bearing to a buoy behind but in line with our boat - I'm told there are only 2 examples of these in the Solent so good to know both of them beforehand.

 

[lustyd]

http://www.rya.org.uk/coursestrainin...alskipper.aspx
as quoted on one of my first posts


the point is they've renamed the friggin course

but there only ever has , and ther only is one practical exam with the words Coastal Skipper in it, its the same exam see earlier post.

the title is now prefixed by Yachtmaster in am attempt to avoid confusing the idiotic amongst us .. that I suspect is a forlorn hope!

Even with TWO people pointing you in the right direction you still haven't got it right.
They have NOT renamed the course - the course it RYA Coastal Skipper and DOES NOT have an exam.
They have renamed the old MCA Coastal Skipper exam. This is now MCA Yachtmaster Coastal. It DOES NOT have the word skipper in it.

Please don't call us pedantic and then constantly come back telling us we're wrong when we have both provided you with CURRENT evidence to show the CURRENT training scheme.

 

[jimi]

Even with TWO people pointing you in the right direction you still haven't got it right.
They have NOT renamed the course - the course it RYA Coastal Skipper and DOES NOT have an exam.
They have renamed the old MCA Coastal Skipper exam. This is now MCA Yachtmaster Coastal. It DOES NOT have the word skipper in it.

Please don't call us pedantic and then constantly come back telling us we're wrong when we have both provided you with CURRENT evidence to show the CURRENT training scheme.

Hmmm .. please tell me where I have posted about the course rather than the prctical exam. They have renamed the exam certificate by pefixing it with YM to avoid confusion in the minds of the easily confused. See post #31


FWIW I aslo disagree with the advice to do the courses and exams when conditions are at their most benign, I suppose it depends on whether you want the ticket or the experience.

I did my Practical Coastal Skipper Exam (now renamed the YM Coastal Skipper Exam) in January in a F6 to 8. I did the same with my YM in February and got a lot more out of it poodling around in a balmy windless August.


here's a link to the exam report I wrote at the time
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19507

 

[lustyd]

FWIW I aslo disagree with the advice to do the courses and exams when conditions are at their most benign, I suppose it depends on whether you want the ticket or the experience.

By the time you take the YM exam you should have that experience. I agree with that for things like the CS course, and did all mine in November or February. When taking the YM exam though it is purely about getting a ticket so I think nice easy weather etc is the better option there.

 

[Ubergeekian]

Hmmm .. please tell me where I have posted about the course rather than the prctical exam.

What about here?

the point is they've renamed the friggin course

The point, you see, is that they haven't renamed the friggin course but they have renamed the frigging exam. Which seems to confuse quite a few people beside you, so don't feel bad about it.

 

[jimi]

What about here?



The point, you see, is that they haven't renamed the friggin course but they have renamed the frigging exam. Which seems to confuse quite a few people beside you, so don't feel bad about it.

ah bless .. if it makes you feel better, I don't feel bad .

Communication is the art of conveying meaning. I suspect the less pedantic (and even the totally pedantic) knew exactly whaI intended to communicate in my original post on this subject.


which was

"I'd echo some of the advice already given:
ie
1) go straight for YM theory
2) For practical, if you already have some practical sailing experience, skip DS and go straight to Coastal Skipper (if you have the qualifying mileage and passages) hopefully on the preparation course you will learn a lot more than you would on a DS if you've got a half decent instructor. The CS exam is basically the same as the YM, standard expected is just not as polished."


now if you don't understand exactly what I meant then you have a problem.

 

[lustyd]

Here we go, fixed it for you so we won't have to keep going in circles. As you say "Communication is the art of conveying meaning" so I've corrected your communication with the correct meaning I think you were going for.

1) go straight for Coastal Skipper/Yachtmaster theory theory course
2) For practical, if you already have some practical sailing experience, skip the Day Skipper course and go straight to Coastal Skipper (you don't need qualifying mileage and passages) hopefully on the preparation course you will learn a lot more than you would on a DS if you've got a half decent instructor.
3)The Yachtmaster coastal exam is basically the same as the Yachtmaster Offshore, standard expected is just not as polished."

 

[jimi]

Here we go, fixed it for you so we won't have to keep going in circles. As you say "Communication is the art of conveying meaning" so I've corrected your communication with the correct meaning I think you were going for.

1) go straight for Coastal Skipper/Yachtmaster theory theory course
2) For practical, if you already have some practical sailing experience, skip the Day Skipper course and go straight to Coastal Skipper (you don't need qualifying mileage and passages) hopefully on the preparation course you will learn a lot more than you would on a DS if you've got a half decent instructor.
3)The Yachtmaster coastal exam is basically the same as the Yachtmaster Offshore, standard expected is just not as polished."

I'll let others judge how much your amendment have changed the meaning of the original post.... and what that says about the amendor.

 

[jimi]

Here we go, fixed it for you so we won't have to keep going in circles. As you say "Communication is the art of conveying meaning" so I've corrected your communication with the correct meaning I think you were going for.

1) go straight for Coastal Skipper/Yachtmaster theory theory course
2) For practical, if you already have some practical sailing experience, skip the Day Skipper course and go straight to Coastal Skipper (you don't need qualifying mileage and passages) hopefully on the preparation course you will learn a lot more than you would on a DS if you've got a half decent instructor.
3)The Yachtmaster coastal exam is basically the same as the Yachtmaster Offshore, standard expected is just not as polished."

I feel I must clarify your attempt at clarification in case you manage to confuse any poor souls

there is a qualifying mileage and seatime for the Coastal skipper practical exam (now renamed to somethin a bit longer)


ie
Yachtmaster Coastal exam pre-requisites
Minimum seatime
30 days, 2 days as skipper, 800 miles, 12 night hours (if you hold the Coastal Skipper course certificate this is reduced to 20 days, 2 days as skipper, 400 miles, 12 night hours). Half the qualifying sea time must be conducted in tidal waters.

 

[lustyd]

It's the difference between booking a course or an exam; between getting an internationally recognised qualification or an attendance certificate; between building up miles unnecessarily for a course which doesn't need them and not having miles needed for an exam; between being right and being wrong.

You clearly cannot see the difference but I can and so can Uber. The person not familiar with these courses and exams will want to be confident that they are getting what they want for the money, and now they can.

 

[lustyd]

I feel I must clarify your attempt at clarification in case you manage to confuse any poor souls

there is a qualifying mileage and seatime for the Coastal skipper practical exam (now renamed to somethin a bit longer)


ie
Yachtmaster Coastal exam pre-requisites
Minimum seatime
30 days, 2 days as skipper, 800 miles, 12 night hours (if you hold the Coastal Skipper course certificate this is reduced to 20 days, 2 days as skipper, 400 miles, 12 night hours). Half the qualifying sea time must be conducted in tidal waters.

But you have just posted the incorrect information AGAIN!

It's like you're some kind of forum robot designed to be argumentative. As I have repeatedly said, the MCA YACHTMASTER COASTAL EXAM has prerequisites. The RYA COASTAL SKIPPER COURSE does not, it has suggested experience.

 

[Ubergeekian]

...my original post on this subject.
which was
2) For practical, if you already have some practical sailing experience, skip DS and go straight to Coastal Skipper (if you have the qualifying mileage and passages) hopefully on the preparation course you will learn a lot more than you would on a DS if you've got a half decent instructor. The CS exam is basically the same as the YM, standard expected is just not as polished."


now if you don't understand exactly what I meant then you have a problem.

The trouble with that post is that you refer to a "CS Exam" and there is no "CS Exam". There are, however, two Yachtmaster Exams, which meant that your advice was ambiguous at best.

I presume now that what you meant was

2) For practical, if you already have some practical sailing experience, skip DS and go straight to Yachtmaster Coastal (if you have the qualifying mileage and passages) hopefully on the preparation course you will learn a lot more than you would on a DS if you've got a half decent instructor. The Yachtmaster Coastal exam is basically the same as the full YM, standard expected is just not as polished."

Is that right?

 

[jimi]

The trouble with that post is that you refer to a "CS Exam" and there is no "CS Exam". There are, however, two Yachtmaster Exams, which meant that your advice was ambiguous at best.

I presume now that what you meant was

2) For practical, if you already have some practical sailing experience, skip DS and go straight to Yachtmaster Coastal (if you have the qualifying mileage and passages) hopefully on the preparation course you will learn a lot more than you would on a DS if you've got a half decent instructor. The Yachtmaster Coastal exam is basically the same as the full YM, standard expected is just not as polished."

Is that right?

What I'd really really really like to know is what you thought i was referring to by a "CS practical exam" before you arrived at that interpretation?


I'm really disappointed by you two getting so hung up over me referring to the exam by its prechange name .. so hung up in fact you've devoted 2 days and numerous posts to it.

One simple line would have sufficed:

"the Coastal skipper exam has now been renamed the YM Coastal exam"

but oh no, yer mate LD is determined to have a pop cos he made such an @rse of himself over the gybe preventer and blames me cos I pointed out the stupidity and absolute tosh in his responses

Presumably he's trying to prove a point.

IMHO he certainly has ...

I know there's quite a few highly experienced and knowledgeable people who do not post on this forum precisely because of moronic behaviour like this, and the place is a poorer place without them.

 

[lustyd]

I'm really disappointed by you two getting so hung up over me referring to the exam by its prechange name .. so hung up in fact you've devoted 2 days and numerous posts to it.

You have spent 2 days arguing too, and you were in the wrong!

One simple line would have sufficed:

"the Coastal skipper exam has now been renamed the YM Coastal exam"

We tried that, but you were not prepared to listen and continued saying the wrong things.

but oh no, yer mate LD is determined to have a pop cos he made such an @rse of himself over the gybe preventer and blames me cos I pointed out the stupidity and absolute tosh in his responses

Presumably he's trying to prove a point.

I didn't make an arse of myself, I gave up trying to explain to you that a boom preventer doesn't stop a boat from gybing, which it doesn't.

I know there's quite a few highly experienced and knowledgeable people who do not post on this forum precisely because of moronic behaviour like this, and the place is a poorer place without them.

Have you considered joining them? We could do with some peace and quiet from morons like yourself being so argumentative

 

[lustyd]

Ahh peace at last