CV19 restrictions on boat on private mooring

FlyingGoose said:
The boating community is a fraction of the population that will still be allowed to move even with restrictions, there is also many marinas that will not or can not get boats in so again more reduced numbers , so let those with boats in the water and getting in the water to enjoy something of this miserable experience we are all facing.
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Swap boating community for gym-going community ... Then we can debate which communities get to enjoy something they enjoy and which don't.
 
We are planing to self isolate on our boat. We should be 100% self sufficient and can carry 12 months of food, if we can get it. We would rather be on the boat than stuck in a two room flat.

Is there anyone here who can explain why every government thinks we can develop a vaccine for this RNA virus when no one has been able to do it for AIDS which is also an RNA virus?
 
ProMariner said:
People, it's even worse than the media are suggesting. More than 600,000 hard working brits died last year, and that's even before this latest virus. I blame the government, the NHS, and the illuminati. If people were not being born, the whole human race could end.
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ONS stats for 2018: approx 542,000 deaths (all causes) in a population of 66.5 million. The overwhelming majority were old or already very ill people, the remainder made up of accidents, suicides and murders. (It is 'hard work' to willingly kill yourself or someone else, while old people tend to be retired and the ill off work.)

Current estimates of UK deaths connected with Covid are between a quarter and half a million. Based upon all reports of fatalities so far, most of these will be old or already very ill people - therefore mostly already likely to die either this year or in the next few years. This is not to diminish the scale of the losses to individuals and families, just trying to put some perspective onto the figures.

BUT the reason it is a major crisis is that its happening all at once, and the health-care planning (of all countries) wasn't previously based upon such worst-case scenarios. Hence the shortage of beds, IC staff, protective gear, ventilators (which wouldn't have been needed for other types of diseases, say Ebola), etc.

The 'contracted/counted/recovered/died' figures for effected countries will differ for lots of reasons - culture, climate, politics, economics, trade, etc - and the response of each of their governments and attitude of the populace will also differ.

The challenge for all governments is how to balance containment of the virus, medical provision, economic effects (immediate and long-term) and civil liberties - and this will be different for each country.

I'm not interested in 'blame', only in the pragmatic question of what I can personally do to help (1) my immediate family, (2) my friends and local community, and (3) do my bit for the broader nation - if I'm careless or cavalier then all three are going to suffer!!

But, maintaining perspective (subject of course to government advice possible later legal restrictions), the risk to anyone else in me carefully driving to the coast, parking up and taking the tender straight to my mooring is miniscule compared to going to the pub/gym/cinema etc.

Once the initial crisis is contained and the overall situation is better understood, I'm sure government(s) will begin to tweak things in recognition of everyone's need for activities that support their general physical and mental health.
 
As Jumbleduck says...
In much of Europe the basic position is you are not allowed to do something unless you have a permit. In the UK, it’s the opposite. So you have to have a boat liecnse in most Europe but not in the UK. As such we have a different approach to civil liberties and controls.
 
LBRodders said:
Not sure what is so difficult to understand about

'Stay at home!'

No ifs, buts or what abouts...
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That is not in fact that the government's advice. Social distancing yes. Stopping all exercise and stying indoors no. Sarabande specifically mentioned being unavoidably near the boat so there's no unnecessary travel involved. Here's the open letter from a number of health professionals which I previously posted in the Lounge effectively saying that the government shouldn't stop people exercising outside:
Researchers call on government to enable safe walking and cycling during the COVID-19 pandemic

Sailing is possibly the main exercise some forumites here get and a significant benefit to their health. Outdoor activity while maintaining social distancing is not currently prohibited, nor has the government suggested it will be. This is nothing like going to a gym where you're in an enclosed space with a bunch of strangers. It's not even horse riding where there's a significant risk of serious injury. As for risk of being rescued...is that even a significant risk for an experienced sailor in their own boat sailing from and to their own mooring in familiar waters and good conditions? If they don't need an engine to pick up a mooring? Take that argument to an absurd conclusion and no-one should be using kettles or toasters at home because of the fire risk.
 
laika said:
That is not in fact that the government's advice. Social distancing yes. Stopping all exercise and stying indoors no. Sarabande specifically mentioned being unavoidably near the boat so there's no unnecessary travel involved. Here's the open letter from a number of health professionals which I previously posted in the Lounge effectively saying that the government shouldn't stop people exercising outside:
Researchers call on government to enable safe walking and cycling during the COVID-19 pandemic

Sailing is possibly the main exercise some forumites here get and a significant benefit to their health. Outdoor activity while maintaining social distancing is not currently prohibited, nor has the government suggested it will be. This is nothing like going to a gym where you're in an enclosed space with a bunch of strangers. It's not even horse riding where there's a significant risk of serious injury. As for risk of being rescued...is that even a significant risk for an experienced sailor in their own boat sailing from and to their own mooring in familiar waters and good conditions? If they don't need an engine to pick up a mooring? Take that argument to an absurd conclusion and no-one should be using kettles or toasters at home because of the fire risk.
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You are making unqualifiable assumptions and splitting hairs on the technicality of guidance.

Just like the idiots on Snowdon and in Highland car parks - they all thought they'd be alone. They've been rightly called out and look like fools - I hope they are ashamed.
 
On another thread, someone was whining about caravanners coming to their parish.
The fact that your caravan floats makes no difference.
 
Can some one please point out were A, i will contract this virus and B, who I will spread it to
1. my car is in my Drive way I jump into car and drive
2. My boat is in the water all ready, I walk along a pontoon and enter said boat
3. I sail said boat away for a few weeks or more , completely self sufficient around the West coast of Scotland anchoring in isolated anchorages
4. I have more chance of been run down by a car walking my two mutts or contracting the virus having to pick up my medication every month
5. I have not been told not to go I have been told to keep social distancing.
6, we need to keep everything in perspective

Were is the flaw in the plan , and please sensible answers ,
 
LBRodders said:
You are making unqualifiable assumptions and splitting hairs on the technicality of guidance.
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Really? Would you care to qualify which unqualifable assumptions you are talking about? The directive is to maintain social distancing. Sarabande is asking about solo sailing from a private mooring that requires no additional travel to reach. That is a completely different case to being in a crowd of holidaymakers. There's no hairs being spit. Being in a crowd is not maintaining distance. Solo sailing or sailing with the people you live with is. That is violating neither the letter nor the spirit of any request made by the government so far.
 
FlyingGoose said:
Can some one please point out were A, i will contract this virus and B, who I will spread it to
1. my car is in my Drive way I jump into car and drive
2. My boat is in the water all ready, I walk along a pontoon and enter said boat
3. I sail said boat away for a few weeks or more , completely self sufficient around the West coast of Scotland anchoring in isolated anchorages
4. I have more chance of been run down by a car walking my two mutts or contracting the virus having to pick up my medication every month
5. I have not been told not to go I have been told to keep social distancing.
6, we need to keep everything in perspective

Were is the flaw in the plan , and please sensible answers ,
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If you withdraw from the world into a secluded area
and nobody else has the same idea about the same location (Scotland is smaller than you may think)
and you have for months to come no need to contact the world (buy food/rations, requiring help for boat sinking, medical mishap, etc)
and you have no inquisitive locals wondering what that stranger in that boat is doing overthere

then yes, your plan might work out.

As mentioned before it is not as much the (solo) sailer him/herself who is at risk. It is more about the outer world/emergency services that may be required by this (solo) sailor in case of a mishap. They don't know if you are infected, which adds to the risk that others take for your safety.
 
LBRodders said:
Just like the idiots on Snowdon and in Highland car parks - they all thought they'd be alone. They've been rightly called out and look like fools - I hope they are ashamed.
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They may be a bit embarrassed, but if they rally thought they'd be alone they have nothing to be ashamed about, because going out of doors on your own (or in your quarantine group) is absolutely fine.

I drove up the Clyde coast from near Irvine to Wemyss Bay yesterday and there wre lots of people walking singly or in pairs on in what looked like family groups. No larger groups, no cafes or restaurants open. No problem and if it helps people deal with the stresses of isolation, a good thing.
 
FlyingGoose said:
Can some one please point out were A, i will contract this virus and B, who I will spread it to
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Significant chance you already have it.

You going to live without your medication? Food?

The gov't makes rules for everyone, you can't expect them to consider exceptions for a few hundred people who say they won't contact anyone else. If a few people start doing this, everyone else will want to.
Let's say 50 people do this. Chances are, one or more of them will get very ill and start whining for help.
 
JumbleDuck said:
Do many caravanners hook up, go for a drive and then come back home again?
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ISTM that I could go for a sail and come back home, my boat is in walking distance of home, it's not much different from going for a walk in the woods.
Until there's a bunch of us at the slipway at the same time.
Or until something breaks and I want a tow home.
Or until I realise that actually, I'm not very well.

I've been sailing with a common cold in the past, enjoyed a nice race, then felt utterly destroyed by the effort of pulling a dinghy up the slipway.
Suddenly you're expecting people to hep you....
 
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