CV19 restrictions on boat on private mooring

sailaboutvic said:
If you where were some of us are , you wouldn't said that.
I don't think you realise what you may have coming to you back home in the U.K.
I hope for all your sake I'm wrong .
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No I am pretty well informed as I live here . self isolating and three members of the family in the house self isolating too , you can only control the controllable s , people will die and that is never good , people die every day . a serious virus yes challenging times yes, will we get over it and move on yes , Time ticks on for all people
 
wallacebob said:
I’m in Spain just now, basic rules are you cannot leave your home, except: go to work, get food, get medicine. While you’re out you can buy fuel. This morning I was stopped by local police on way to shop; all very polite, but “go straight back home when you’re done” This makes it easy for authorities to apply the rules. Although sports, leisure, etc are prohibited it makes enforcement easier to have a “stay at home rule” in place. So, no visiting anyone or sightseeing or “but I was only.......” . UK must introduce similar measures in next week; Forget sailing this summer in UK. This is more serious.
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France has made it quite clear leisure boating is not allowed. The statement from the Préfecture Maritime Med makes this quite clear. Of course French rules say non-essential travel is prohibited so getting to the boat isn't possible anyway :(
 
sailaboutvic said:
If you where were some of us are , you wouldn't said that.
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If it helps, on an average day 2000 Italians die (60.5m people, 82.5 year life expectancy). Clearly another 350 deaths per days is a Very Bad Thing, but it's not the Ukrainian Famine. In Hubei Province they manage to arrest the disease after 1 in 700 got it badly enough to need medical attention and 1 in 30 of those died.

It may well turn out that draconian action is not necessarily sensible action.
 
Baggywrinkle said:
Because you won't be the only family going for a walk round the park? - there will be other families with dogs and kids, not to mention joggers - people forgetting and intracting - little human petri dishes climbing all over park benches, playgrounds and touching anything that looks interesting. .... you might be able to walk round a park keeping a minimum distance from others and not touching anything, but stupid adults, hyperactive kids and dogs won't ... so it's just easier to ban everyone from the park.
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Even if you meet another family walking round the park, we're not talking Glastonbury Festival (cancelled today) levels of social intimacy here. Yes, it's easier to ban people from the park, if you don;t care much about the mental health of children cooped up indoor for months at a time. An none of this really explains the danger of a boat owner, even with family, going for a sail.
 
Hi everyone, just thought I’d add my two pence to this, If the advice is advisory, then no doubt some people stuck at home will no doubt decide to take the risk and go to the boat, like a lot of people have said, if they're in their own car, travelling to their own boat then what’s the risk? But like others have said, you run the risk of touching handrails, trolleys, toilets etc. But if you wash your hands as soon as your at the boat, or the marinas frequently wash down the railings then your reducing the risk, surely? But that being said regardless of the risk being low, if others are following the rules then surely everyone should? I know a lot of people believe we are in a nanny state being overly looked after by the Government, but surely times like now, when everyone has to make a sacrifice for the health of others we can all abide by the governments advice? Put it into context a lot of people before this is over will probably be out of work, financially crippled or perhaps have lost a loved one or two because of it, and when it’s over, and it will be, do you want to be the one who says, “I did everything I could to stop this” or do you want to be the one who says “I watched everyone else do all they could to stop this” Again everyone’s views are different and it’s a matter of perspective as to which side of the camp you sit on, but at some point in the not to distant future we are all going to have to ask, how important is it to take out my boat. As already mentioned on this forum people on their boats in Spain, Greece, Italy, Portugal etc are already going through the worst of it. Will it happen to us? Maybe, but only if people ignore the advice of the Government and make it compulsory to send in the Police or Armed forces to enforce it. Let’s use some Common sense and not make that necessary.
 
matt8442 said:
Hi everyone, just thought I’d add my two pence to this, If the advice is advisory, then no doubt some people stuck at home will no doubt decide to take the risk and go to the boat, like a lot of people have said, if they're in their own car, travelling to their own boat then what’s the risk? But like others have said, you run the risk of touching handrails, trolleys, toilets etc. But if you wash your hands as soon as your at the boat, or the marinas frequently wash down the railings then your reducing the risk, surely? But that being said regardless of the risk being low, if others are following the rules then surely everyone should? I know a lot of people believe we are in a nanny state being overly looked after by the Government, but surely times like now, when everyone has to make a sacrifice for the health of others we can all abide by the governments advice? Put it into context a lot of people before this is over will probably be out of work, financially crippled or perhaps have lost a loved one or two because of it, and when it’s over, and it will be, do you want to be the one who says, “I did everything I could to stop this” or do you want to be the one who says “I watched everyone else do all they could to stop this” Again everyone’s views are different and it’s a matter of perspective as to which side of the camp you sit on, but at some point in the not to distant future we are all going to have to ask, how important is it to take out my boat. As already mentioned on this forum people on their boats in Spain, Greece, Italy, Portugal etc are already going through the worst of it. Will it happen to us? Maybe, but only if people ignore the advice of the Government and make it compulsory to send in the Police or Armed forces to enforce it. Let’s use some Common sense and not make that necessary.
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The view is what is should be, but if we go down the route of touching handrails , when the clear advice is wash your hands and do not touch your face then the risk of driving to ones boat walking along a pontoon and avoiding people politely as they will be doing the same, getting into ones boat washing your hands again and sailing off , I would say I would have more risk going to the super market , taking my Dog out , having to visit the GP to get my restricted medicine and then to the pharmacists
One would think as a risk person I would be safer on the boat sailing and avoiding any towns , than I would be at home doing the thing's I would be allowed to do under restrictions.
It is not hard to avoid people , or wash your hands , and if you show symptoms self isolate, dont know why that is hard for some people to understand.
Me Im off to the boat next week , and I can guarantee that I will avoid the infected ,wash my hands before I touch my face and go sailing
 
Flying Goose agree with you, but if the Government say no more then Sailing then people should hopefully heed the advice. Annoying as it is we have got to set the example.
 
Fortunately most of us live in the UK which is much less likely to issue directives and bans rather than guidance.
The British have a historical habit of disliking being told what to do but are generally very bidable when asked, thank heavens.
Some other societies are much more amenable to diktats and curfews, etc just as their gumments are more inclined to issue them.

Let's hope we don't descend to the daftness of banning activities like the French have.

Bear in mind the National Trust today anounced free access to all it's parks and land to provide open spaces for the public. That's more like it.
 
Old Bumbulum said:
The British have a historical habit of disliking being told what to do but are generally very bidable when asked, thank heavens.
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Best quote I see so far , I had to laugh, us brits jump to rules that's why we have so many problem with the EU ,
How many times have we seen three on a motor bike or riders without helmets in the UK or perple smoking in bars and restaurants, how about drivers using phone why driving or refusing to stop at crossing , we don't see it cos as soon there a rule we jump at it , unlike our European friends.
So to see the Italian and other European doing everything being ask of them regarding the virus say how serious people are taken the problem.
It seen only back home we think that keeping a upper stiff lip going to make everything ok .
 
Old Bumbulum said:
are generally very bidable when asked, thank heavens.
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We've been asked not to socialise or engage in unnecessary activities - but as I drove down my local High Street to and from work today it looked roughly as busy as normal. Certainly people in cafes in the morning, this evening the pubs were open and looked occupied. You and I might be keeping ourselves to ourselves, but plenty of people aren't.

Pete
 
Old Bumbulum said:
Bear in mind the National Trust today anounced free access to all it's parks and land to provide open spaces for the public. That's more like it.
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Canal and river Trust are encouraging boating on inland waterways to continue
Coronavirus and boating FAQs | Canal & River Trust

Work must continue . I have moved to working at home today but the office remains open and we aim to make it business as normal. Meetings will be via video conferencing which we were doing to some extent already. Working at home this afternoon I had fewer interruptions. We will continue with construction site inspections as long as those sites remain open and require our services. Other industries will continue -eg agriculture and food production . If not people will starve to death.
 
As I said earlier, the ADVICE at the moment is just that. Please don’t do this, please do this. I think it will be followed quite soon by direction and the direction is likely to be similar to that imposed in much of mainland Europe.
By far the simplest and easiest restriction is a curfew. Stay at home except for exempt activities. Easy to issue instructions and police.
If you look at what’s going on in northern Italy, you can see what the government is trying to avoid. Their hospitals are overwhelmed, they’re having to triage patients into those they have the resources to help and those that they can’t help. Often only being able to offer the most basic care to patients who might recover so that they can offer the care to those who stand a somewhat better chance of recovery. And the care is being delivered in converted warehouses with patients on camp beds.
So anything that can be done to slow the arrival of patients at hospitals is worth doing. And if it needs to be simplistic and possibly a bit over the top, the so be it. Restrictions need to easy to understand and police with little or no wriggle room, otherwise they’re worse than useless as we will expose those policing them to unnecessary risks as they argue the toss with the “of course it doesn’t apply to me” folks.
 
MartynG said:
Work must continue . I have moved to working at home today but the office remains open and we aim to make it business as normal.
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I was assuming we'd all be working from home - certainly all my former colleagues at IBM are. But at IBM we worked with colleagues in other places constantly even in normal times, so being at home or in the office didn't make all that much difference. The current place isn't used to it, and it shows - people forget to sign into chat, my boss can't work his video-conferencing, the phones sound terrible, so much stuff normally relied on going round to someone's desk and talking at them and wasn't happening. So I was in the office today and thinking to remain so unless the situation changes - I live alone and am not interacting with anyone outside of work, so I shouldn't bring in anything new. And if I do catch it at the office then I won't be spreading it any further when I go home. Obviously if I get symptoms I'll follow the isolation advice then.

Pete
 
Boat2016 said:
Boats don’t run aground while in a marina...
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prv said:
I was assuming we'd all be working from home - certainly all my former colleagues at IBM are. But at IBM we worked with colleagues in other places constantly even in normal times, so being at home or in the office didn't make all that much difference. The current place isn't used to it, and it shows - people forget to sign into chat, my boss can't work his video-conferencing, the phones sound terrible, so much stuff normally relied on going round to someone's desk and talking at them and wasn't happening. So I was in the office today and thinking to remain so unless the situation changes - I live alone and am not interacting with anyone outside of work, so I shouldn't bring in anything new. And if I do catch it at the office then I won't be spreading it any further when I go home. Obviously if I get symptoms I'll follow the isolation advice then.

Pete
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After struggling with video conferencing issues we recently changed to Microsoft Teams . It works well. I am an old git and can use it so it cant be that difficult. I agree interaction at the office is valuable but we must do the best we can.
 
Old Bumbulum said:
Right. Easy enough in Italy and France where they have plenty of police...
Who's going to enforce anything here?
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And they all have Guns and the French ones have all got crew cuts and look mean , here we get some 5 1 inch person slightly over weight uniform to big for them , trying to tell a big bloke what to do
Humor aside the services are doing us proud especially the NHS , I have no issues following a curfew , but simple precautions are just as effective , keep away from large crowds and washing hands constantly
 
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