Cutty Sark on fire
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reginaldon
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What a tragedy! Are there any limits to the depraved behaviour of the few?
burgundyben
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Very sad indeed.
No i do not think there is any limit to the behaviour of the depraved few, although its a little early to say that it might be the case with the Cutty Sark.
No i do not think there is any limit to the behaviour of the depraved few, although its a little early to say that it might be the case with the Cutty Sark.
Black Sheep
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Very sad indeed... the only saving grace is that her masts are at Chatham at the moment, while she was undergoing refurbishment - I wonder how much else was offsite?
Looks like there's very little left of the hull...
I think it's a bit early yet to say what the cause of the fire was.
Looks like there's very little left of the hull...
I think it's a bit early yet to say what the cause of the fire was.
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the only saving grace is that her masts are at Chatham at the moment, while she was undergoing refurbishment - I wonder how much else was offsite?
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50% of the ship's timbers according to TV news but looking at the smoldering hull on the news I am surprised that much of the ship is off site.
the only saving grace is that her masts are at Chatham at the moment, while she was undergoing refurbishment - I wonder how much else was offsite?
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50% of the ship's timbers according to TV news but looking at the smoldering hull on the news I am surprised that much of the ship is off site.
JasB
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Just heard the Police are treating it as suspicious
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Are there any limits to the depraved behaviour of the few?
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Hang on think Windsor Castle fire, there is a definite tendency for restoration projects to destroy what is undergoing restoration.
Also 30 years ago Tristan Jones was spitting with indignation after visiting that so called maritime museum. If the fire was an act of vandalism, then the vandals only finished what the London establishment has been doing for decades.
Are there any limits to the depraved behaviour of the few?
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Hang on think Windsor Castle fire, there is a definite tendency for restoration projects to destroy what is undergoing restoration.
Also 30 years ago Tristan Jones was spitting with indignation after visiting that so called maritime museum. If the fire was an act of vandalism, then the vandals only finished what the London establishment has been doing for decades.
reginaldon
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Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo
Rhubarb!
Rhubarb!
Malish
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Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo
why is the fire being reported by Motor Boat Monthly on the ybw.com site?
why is the fire being reported by Motor Boat Monthly on the ybw.com site?
ccscott49
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Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo
Well, looks like a right off to me! Time for a total rebuild at lottery expense, hopefully?? But make her sail for a living, sail training etc, much better than a static exhibit. IMHO
Well, looks like a right off to me! Time for a total rebuild at lottery expense, hopefully?? But make her sail for a living, sail training etc, much better than a static exhibit. IMHO
cliffordpope
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Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo
There is a sad coincidence between disastrous fires and restoration projects. An historic mansion near us was gutted last year while in the course of major restoration.
Given the additional risk (presence of various contractors, combustible materials, waste, lot of additional and possibly unchecked access, and above all, publicity) I am always surprised that owners and insurers do not take better temporary security measures.
No nightwatchman, remote radio smoke sensors, temporary sprinklers, ? It always seems to rely on a vigilant member of the public spotting smoke, and then even if the fire brigade turn up in 5 minutes, it is still too late. They need a fire pump on standby as a matter of routine, and a watchman doing his rounds every half hour.
There is a sad coincidence between disastrous fires and restoration projects. An historic mansion near us was gutted last year while in the course of major restoration.
Given the additional risk (presence of various contractors, combustible materials, waste, lot of additional and possibly unchecked access, and above all, publicity) I am always surprised that owners and insurers do not take better temporary security measures.
No nightwatchman, remote radio smoke sensors, temporary sprinklers, ? It always seems to rely on a vigilant member of the public spotting smoke, and then even if the fire brigade turn up in 5 minutes, it is still too late. They need a fire pump on standby as a matter of routine, and a watchman doing his rounds every half hour.
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Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo
Agree 100%. Not to do that is a dereliction of duty, a lack of due care. There is always a much higher risk during refurb - chemicals, solvents, clutter, rubbish, gash wiring, stangers on site, tradesmen smoking, inhibited fire detection and extinguishing systems,....
Agree 100%. Not to do that is a dereliction of duty, a lack of due care. There is always a much higher risk during refurb - chemicals, solvents, clutter, rubbish, gash wiring, stangers on site, tradesmen smoking, inhibited fire detection and extinguishing systems,....
Sailfree
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Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo
Heard the Fire Brigade spokesman on R4 this morning who mentioned initial concern about risk of chemicals and cylinders.
Anyone know how long between fire brigade on site and first hose started?
I recently witnessed a fire where it was 1hr as fire brigade were not sure of the risks.
My understanding is that in this H & S concious world they have to assess the risk before they start tackling the fire which is a bit anoying if there were no risks and as a consequence the fire got a seriouis hold but the casualty figure for the fire service suggest caution is necessary.
Heard the Fire Brigade spokesman on R4 this morning who mentioned initial concern about risk of chemicals and cylinders.
Anyone know how long between fire brigade on site and first hose started?
I recently witnessed a fire where it was 1hr as fire brigade were not sure of the risks.
My understanding is that in this H & S concious world they have to assess the risk before they start tackling the fire which is a bit anoying if there were no risks and as a consequence the fire got a seriouis hold but the casualty figure for the fire service suggest caution is necessary.
AlJones
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My school was just up the road from there, St Josephs Academy.
I used to sneak off school, hide my blaizer and tie in my bag, and spend the day tagging on behind another school to get aboard then spend the day hiding on her.
Love that ship!
Bloody sad!
Al.
I used to sneak off school, hide my blaizer and tie in my bag, and spend the day tagging on behind another school to get aboard then spend the day hiding on her.
Love that ship!
Bloody sad!
Al.
cliffordpope
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Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo
I think fire brigade action is an irrelevance. They save life, not preserve property. Any fragile historic structure is doomed within minutes of a fire starting. Other more robust measures must be in place and are the first line of defence. The fire brigade is there only to save life, prevent the blaze spreading if possible, and damp down the embers.
I think fire brigade action is an irrelevance. They save life, not preserve property. Any fragile historic structure is doomed within minutes of a fire starting. Other more robust measures must be in place and are the first line of defence. The fire brigade is there only to save life, prevent the blaze spreading if possible, and damp down the embers.
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Anyone know how long between fire brigade on site and first hose started?
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According to a BBC TV interview with a fire chief, there were 40 minutes of "defensive" fire fighting until health & safety concerns about explosive substances onboard were discounted, then the blaze was tackled aggressively.
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Anyone know how long between fire brigade on site and first hose started?
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According to a BBC TV interview with a fire chief, there were 40 minutes of "defensive" fire fighting until health & safety concerns about explosive substances onboard were discounted, then the blaze was tackled aggressively.
Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo
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I think fire brigade action is an irrelevance. They save life, not preserve property.
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Not so. The London Fire Brigade operated a damage limitation unit that was tasked with reducing the financial cost of fires. They went in straight after incidents and saved 10's of £ million per year. The unit was closed down about 10 years ago because some shortsighted accounting determined savings could be made by offloading the operational costs onto the insurance industry via increased claims.
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I think fire brigade action is an irrelevance. They save life, not preserve property.
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Not so. The London Fire Brigade operated a damage limitation unit that was tasked with reducing the financial cost of fires. They went in straight after incidents and saved 10's of £ million per year. The unit was closed down about 10 years ago because some shortsighted accounting determined savings could be made by offloading the operational costs onto the insurance industry via increased claims.
halcyon
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Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo
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Well, looks like a right off to me! Time for a total rebuild at lottery expense, hopefully??
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On an interview on the radio dinner time, most of the boat has been removed, and there is damage to upper and middle deck in the centre. Main worry is damage to steel frames, this may loose her lines, but will not be corrected as they think maintaning the original material is more important. But who wants a clipper that looks a pregnant banna.
There is also a second clipper, City of Adalaid ? in the country from the same time. This one is due to be broken up in Scotland, on a slip at the Maritme Museum, due to lack of money for slipway fees. It was intimated that it was due to it not being a Scotish boat, and should be down at Sunderland. Also has the advatage of needing only £5 mill to put right.
Brian
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Well, looks like a right off to me! Time for a total rebuild at lottery expense, hopefully??
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On an interview on the radio dinner time, most of the boat has been removed, and there is damage to upper and middle deck in the centre. Main worry is damage to steel frames, this may loose her lines, but will not be corrected as they think maintaning the original material is more important. But who wants a clipper that looks a pregnant banna.
There is also a second clipper, City of Adalaid ? in the country from the same time. This one is due to be broken up in Scotland, on a slip at the Maritme Museum, due to lack of money for slipway fees. It was intimated that it was due to it not being a Scotish boat, and should be down at Sunderland. Also has the advatage of needing only £5 mill to put right.
Brian
bumblefish
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Re: Cutty Sark on fire re: jonjo
This one here. Sounds like they might be considering a change of heart?
This one here. Sounds like they might be considering a change of heart?
