Current Fuel prices, mad or what?

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Filled up with petrol last week at Cobbs Quay £1.13 a litre, filled up yesterday and it is now £1.37 a litre!!!

Diesel is now 58p a litre, so how can petrol increase so much compared percentage wise to diesel.

How would it effect your boating if you had a a couple of big diesel engines in Jan 2007 when it goes to the same price as petrol and people paying £1.37p a litre? Would Pottery Pier just get busier? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Its gettin g silly but Mayflower in Plymouth seem to be being sensible. Petrol was 1.10 there last weekend. Up 5p on two weeks ago but not to the rip off levels that others seem to be going for.

JH
 
While crude oil hovers around $65 to $70+ per barrel in the "free" market, what else can we expect. The thoughput at marine sites is much less than at garages so the delivery cost per litre must be somewhat greater.

Each site has to look at what they are being charged by the refiners for each delivery and set their price accordingly. Is it a folorn hope that the prices will come down as (we hope) the crude price falls again? The most frightening thing is the possibility that the crude price will soar as far as $100 a barrel.

We pleasure boaters are moaning, what about the poor fishermen?

This has no bearing on the red diesel question. Duty was orignally applied to fuel for road vehicles to support road building and maintenance.

I am, unfortunately, old enough to remember my father moaning like hell when Cleveland Discol (a premium petrol brand in the 1930s for the benefit of you young'uns) went up from 1/6d to 1/6½d per gallon.
 
I understand fully about the need for a premium on dockside fuel, but this is taking the piss. Tell me how it could possibly go up 22% in a week, DAYLIGHT ROBBERY and THEFT IMHO.

Thank goodness I am not going to be lumbered with a big diesel engined boat at the end of next year that nobody will go near when diesel is £1.80 - £2 a ltr. Don't say it can't happen because 2 weeks ago you would have laughed if I had said petrol would be £1.37 a ltr, and not only that you would have said that would be the end of boating. All this red diesel business is nonsense, people will still buy it and go boating, it is minimum cost compared to all the mooring fees, depreciation, maintenance, equipment e.t.c. My boating fuel costs have gone up 40% since the start of the summer and it has not made a blind bit of difference, I just eat pot noodles rather than dine out /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

If people can't take the cost of boating, denial is not the answer, sell your boat to some unsuspecting mug asap before it is worth 50% less and still difficult to sell /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Oh! and get a sailing boat, they will be VERY popular come Jan 2007 /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
I can remember 3star at 25p gallon too Bob and I have only just turned 40 so levels have shot up over the years.

The Fuel Price Escalator introduced by the Tories was the start of it and our current bunch of government incompetants have just made it worse.

Hope it does come down again, but you can be sure that the oil companies will not pass on the savings as fast as they passed on the increases. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

JH
 
To be truthfull I didn't even look at the price, just filled up, it was not until I checked the receipt today that I saw the price /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I don't think we will see prices coming down all that much in the near future, not a good start for the petrol boats at the boatshow, nor diesels, but there are still some mugs out there that haven't heard about red going so they just sell a few to them. Me, I will be looking at yachts I reckon, you can only do so much to enhance the flavour of a pot noodle before it becomes boring, but better than having to eat those old Fray Bentos tin dog food and lard pies /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Well just finished my pot noodle, off to bed now /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

P.S. Just looked at some old forum moans from Jan 2004 about the devastation of boating if diesel went up from 30p to 90p a ltr, well it may come sooner than anyone thought now at about £0.60p, and it is not making any difference at all at the moment, what will make the difference is when it hits the £1.37 like petrol but that is only now, the £1.50 then £2 ltr may not be that far off /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

By the RYA's calculations jobs should be going by now, marina's closing down, people deserting boating, the boating industry collapsing, utter and total twaddle it still carries on. Best the red diesel campaigners re write their script because it is being shown to be total and utter nonsense. Anyone who wants to question that campaign will just have to point to the people who no doubt will be filling the boat show and buying diesel boats knowing that the price is going up. We are halfway to the supposedly horror of the 90p a litre diesel already with no difference at all, now it is the nightmare £1.50 to watch for when red goes, now that could make a difference.
 
You cannot claim that the recent hike has made no difference at all.

The recent hikes are being viewed as a wait and see by many.

I know large boat owners who have declared that they are now curtailing their trips and only using the boat locally plus are planning to move the boat away from the UK if the matter gets worse. There will always be a delay between the cause and the effect - for you to argue that the current doubling in fuel price makes no difference is plain wrong.

I also believe that the boat market is sluggish and that secondhand boat sales are well down on last year - there is also many more who know about the possible removal of Red ... if the dereg happens it will devastate the UK motor boat industry.
 
Summer holiday was originally planned to be down to Ramsgate and then over the Channel. Calculating potential fuel costs (being very much at the budget end) this was curtailed to Chatham and going up the Medway. All those extra 10 to 20 ppls make the difference you see. And I could point to quite a few others in the same position. I look at the price beforehand (and indeed ring possible sources en route).

As someone who doen't drive (SWMBO does that) and we only have one car, I'm not that against the carbon credit idea 'cos I can use all mine for boating:-)
 
How wrong you are. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

I stayed in Chichester harbour and anchored at East Head rather than do the normal journey down the Solent and into one of the marinas where we usually eat out in a restaurant. Not just me but three other boats who normally do the same. And all because of the cost of diesel. It's not that we can't afford it, it's because we refuse to pay that kind of money for it.

We have decided not to use the boat this coming weekend, off to Spain for a long weekend instead. Of course going to Spain will cost more than a weekend on the boat but at least I'm not being ripped off.

A lot of money will be lost to the local economies if diesel carries on at this price.
 
having put 160 ltr in at St PP for a mighty 48 ppl I calculate my average price paid this year to be 38ppl which, whilst a lot higher than the cheapest I could get a couple of years ago (RAYBAR Weymouth at 21ppl) is not a huge additional cost over the sort of prices I ended up paying (27 - 33ppl).

as I said in the earlier thread raised, and stand by, 90ppl would be a whole new ball game.
 
We are also curtailing our 600+ mile trips, in favour of just ambling about. But I take great note of fuel prices and make sure I only buy where it's reasonable. I've paid between 35p and 40p so far this year. If folk did more shopping around, the rip off merchants would soon change there ways.

But it's not just fuel. Mooring charges have quadrupled in the last few years. I'm even looking to invest in more anchor chain instead of keep paying, the 20 quids mount up when your away three or four weeks at a time.
 
So why not give up work because you are taxed so much. why not live in a tent because you pay too much council tax, why not cycle to the marina because of the rip off tax on fuel, it goes on and on, time to get a life I think because you will never beat the system. Holding onto a boat you can't afford to run (because the prices are only going to go one way) seems plain daft, best sell before the rush /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Let's see what happens at the boatshow, if all the doom and gloom is meant to be true, and we are half way there, then it would be pointless having motor boat dealers or motor boats of any sort there!

Perhaps people need to cut their cloth accordingly before it's too late by either selling asap or getting a boat they can afford to run, or even getting a new strong windlass because it seems that it will be used a lot more /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sorry but it will not make much of a difference to the amount of boats, there will always be someone who can afford it who will step in and fill the void, hiding heads in sand and being in denial is not a good thing to do IMHO.

So if we are halfway to Armageddon, where is it? When is the crash coming because I want to buy a nice big newish boat at a bargain price, 50% off is my aim /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif. I saw just about everything that floats out over the Bank Holiday weekend and not all anchored moaning about the rip off price of fuel ruining the family weekend. It is not going to get any better!

When is the Caravan show on next? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Despite someone else saying that small boats with diesels don't make sense, my 24footer with only one 2.4L diesel is starting to look very sensible indeed. It's going to take a big increase to price me off the water: 10hours of mixed blatting around and trundling over the past three weekends used only 130L.

Although I was toying with the next step up (28 foot, twin diesels), I'm not so sure now. I'll wait and see what the situation is like when I actually have the funds to hand (ha ha, bitter laugh, as if.)

dv.
 
Don't worry your boat it will be very desireable soon! All this nonsense about giving up boating is total rubbish, all the people with big diesel guzzling engines need to do is get a sensible sized boat like yours, what is the point in sitting all huddled on a massive flybridge carrying around all that unnecessary crap underneath when you could be drinking champagne on a boat like yours, having a chilled out conversation laughing at those that need big boats because they lack something elsewhere /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif. You can have just as much if not more fun in a 22 / 24 footer, so what's the big problem?

Easier to upgrade than to face the stigma of downsizing I guess, but trust me it will come, but having to give up boating altogether is talking utter nonsense, but losing a bit of pride and lot's of ££££££££ maybe /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Nothing will change apart from the owners of the boats to those new people that CAN afford it, of which there are many waiting to step in /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

See boat show potential buyers for details /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

It will be nice to have more room at the beauty spots for anchoring when these huge penile extensions are all huddled in their marina (or new swinging mooring) or within a mile radius it /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

NO sympathy for anyone now who cannot see the writing very, very clearly on the wall.
 
You just begged for one of my Gludy style responses:-
"So why not give up work because you are taxed so much."

It has been shown time and time again that if tax rates are too high less tax is collected - when tax in the UK came down from 98p in the £ to 40p top rate... more revenue was collected - so in effect people were choosing not to derive an income in the UK.

At the other end of the scale we have many who claim that it not worth working and coming off benefit because they are better off on benefit ... again many choosing not to work.

The relationship between work and tax is highly elastic.

"why not live in a tent because you pay too much council tax"
Many people are having todowngrade accommodation because of out of control council tax bills - ask those on fixed incomes!

"Let's see what happens at the boat show, if all the doom and gloom is meant to be true, and we are half way there, then it would be pointless having motor boat dealers or motor boats of any sort there!"

No because each business has to try to do its best and there is also the overseas market. One or two people have been known to boat out in the Med you know.

"Sorry but it will not make much of a difference to the amount of boats, there will always be someone who can afford it who will step in and fill the void, hiding heads in sand and being in denial is not a good thing to do IMHO."

History is littered with examples on why that is not true!
In the USA CA imposed a luxury car tax of 10% on all cars over $50,000 in value - the entire top end car market went into freefall and tax revenues dropped- they had to lift the tax. "

Your philosophy seems that we just sit back and accept it and that it will really make no difference - I was paying 21p per litre last year, if the dereg happens I can see that going to even £1.50 per litre .... some 7 times what I was paying before and that would see my boat off to another country - Gordon would collect a lot less from me.

If Red goes it will have a massive effect on the boat industry - it has not already been discounted by the market and the dereg would happen on the back of an already natural steep price rise. To argue anything else is to bury your head in the sand.
 
Impressive reply /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

NOBODY on this forum should be caught out in the plummeting prices of big engined boats in Jan 2007 as they have had enough notice, but my point was that you can still have fun in a smaller boat, what is it with people who never stay out at night or just use their boat as a day boat having to drag around a galley, cabins and heads? Get a nice little cuddy and have a cup of T and then a nap in that and enjoy the beach.

I think the smaller boats will become so much more popular, a bit like what has happened in the car market.
 
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