Cunliffe's Complete Day Skipper vs. Complete Yachtmaster

[colind3782]

A couple of years ago I perused both books with the thought of buying one for my son. Not in support of an exam but as a reference book.

I do recall that somewhere in the Yachtmaster book there's a bit where TC says he covered this fully in the other book and wouldn't in this one....

Can't remember now where this was, anyone actually got a copy who can check?

I have the YM one to hand if you can give me a hint?

 

[alant]

"After a while you begin to realise the pig is enjoying it".

Pete

Look whose snout has poked out of his sty.

 

[Daydream believer]

Look whose snout has poked out of his sty.

Yup ! par for the course-- 18 posts, subject gets boring; so a few insults start flying about:ambivalence:

 

[alant]

Good god. Is the lettering in post #1 too small for you to read?

A quick summary of the discussion.

OP, an American it appears with experience sailing in US waters, expressed concern about ColRegs being different between US and Europe

I said they aren't but the buoyage is different.

You then said they don't change buoyage for Yachtmasters so it's all the same. (Can you maybe see why I began to suspect you were confused.)

I then pointed out IALA 'A' and 'B' are different and referred you to post #1 to understand the discussion.

That didn't work did it?

Really?

The OP, was concerned about "rules of the road", not bouyage. The IRPCS (colregs) are international, they don't change, regardless of where, or which country you are in.

 

[tony_lavelle]

As others have said, you don't need to do Day Skipper to get an ICC. However, if you are not a U.K. Citizen the RYA can't issue you with an ICC, unless they've changed the rules.

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

As others have said, you don't need to do Day Skipper to get an ICC. However, if you are not a U.K. Citizen the RYA can't issue you with an ICC, unless they've changed the rules.

They can if you are "normally resident" in the UK.

 

[James_Calvert]

I have the YM one to hand if you can give me a hint?

Something quite important like Rules of the Road.

Can't remember where now, in the forword or about a third in. If you read yours all the way through again, do let us know what it was.

 

[PaulRainbow]

Something quite important like Rules of the Road.

Can't remember where now, in the forword or about a third in. If you read yours all the way through again, do let us know what it was.

Mr Cunliffe has an annoying habit of saying things like "this was covered in xxx, so i;'m not covering it here" or "everyone should know how to do this". I don't like his writing style, in general, although some of his less technical books were a good read. I really likes his book "Pilot Cutters Under Sail", for instance.

I've found Tim Bartlett to be a pain in the bum on the forums, but his books are an easy read. His RYA navigation book made a lot of sense when i did my YM shorebased.

For Colregs, Paul Boissiers' book "Learn the Nautical Rules of The Road" takes some beating.

 

[GK0639]

As others have said, you don't need to do Day Skipper to get an ICC. However, if you are not a U.K. Citizen the RYA can't issue you with an ICC, unless they've changed the rules.

According to the RYA, they will issue a US citizen an ICC because the US is not on the list of countries that have accepted Resolution 40 (although the language is a bit of a mind-bender):

"The RYA is authorised by the Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) to issue a UK ICC to the nationals of any country EXCEPT individuals who are a national of another UNECE member state which has accepted Resolution 40 and who are also resident in another UNECE member state which has accepted Resolution 40, unless the RYA has been given written permission to do so by the Government of the relevant country."

http://www.rya.org.uk/knowledge-advice/boating-abroad/icc/Pages/who-can-get-an-icc-from-the-rya.aspx

 

[colind3782]

Something quite important like Rules of the Road.

Can't remember where now, in the forword or about a third in. If you read yours all the way through again, do let us know what it was.

The next time I read it all the way through again, I'll get back to you! :encouragement:

 

[Redfox226]

Anybody with the 9th edition of Complete Yachtmaster who has read it? Mine appears to have at least one paragraph missing between pp 82-3 in the section on anchoring - is this just me??

 

[James_Calvert]

The next time I read it all the way through again, I'll get back to you! :encouragement:

Ok, now checked the 8th edition which I did buy in the end.

On the first page of the introduction TC explains:

"This book... basic information... to skipper...
one exception... the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea (Colregs). The rules themselves are straightforward; they must be learned largely by rote, and reprinting them here would be a waste of paper."

But he does include a chapter covering collision avoidance with the use of Radar and AIS etc, which assumes the basic knowledge of Colregs.

So I had to buy my son another book for the Colregs...