milltech
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Re: crotch, crotch, crotch, nice to see the spelling right nm
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Crutchless life jackets
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fireball
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Re: crotch, crotch, crotch, nice to see the spelling right nm
but the crutch strap is just as useful - just incase you can't stand up ... keep your crutches with you!! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Going back to serious though - to strap or not to ... ok - a personal preference - but I'd rather not have it ... I prefer the comfort without - but then coastal hopping isn't that dangerous ... and if I do go overboard it is likely that the lifejacket will be deflated when I hit the water - reducing the tendancy for it to ride up on impact.
I've worn "quite a few" crotchless bouyancy aids and although they ride up a little when in the water I have never had one come off. IMO if conditions are such that your wearing a lifejacket are already half expecting to take a swim and it should be correctly fitted - tight enough not to ride up and off, not too tight to make life uncomfortable...
but the crutch strap is just as useful - just incase you can't stand up ... keep your crutches with you!! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Going back to serious though - to strap or not to ... ok - a personal preference - but I'd rather not have it ... I prefer the comfort without - but then coastal hopping isn't that dangerous ... and if I do go overboard it is likely that the lifejacket will be deflated when I hit the water - reducing the tendancy for it to ride up on impact.
I've worn "quite a few" crotchless bouyancy aids and although they ride up a little when in the water I have never had one come off. IMO if conditions are such that your wearing a lifejacket are already half expecting to take a swim and it should be correctly fitted - tight enough not to ride up and off, not too tight to make life uncomfortable...
trouville
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Re: crotch, crotch, crotch, nice to see the spelling right nm
Very worring! Recently i got out my Musto "kit" i put the trousers and jacket with the life jacket attached to the jacket, and worderd what would happen if i really did got overboard?
The life jacket is buttoned on at the top and belt around the waist.I wondered if i would/should wear one that i carry becouse i have to when anyone else is aboard,which is not the inflatable type,but has straps to stop it riding up??
I again wonderd what would happen if i was in the water with everything on and how quickly i could inflate the life jacket??
Once more i dont feel comfrotable wearing that lot! i can hardly move and feel as if i wareing a space suit.Im takeing it as i might feel even worse if in soaking wet and cold as well!!
Having been in the med i only used the jacket onece or twice to go ashore on a rainy day, but it was to hot and the jacket lived in a cupbaord ashore!! I always wonderd if the lack of easy movement could be the cause of going overboard??
In shorts and tea shirt movements very much quicker and little to snag? But a life jacket?? I always "intend" to put one on but i never have so far??? The reason the musto cant be worn without the jacket and the others are uncomfortable!!
If im wareing a jacket, i might just as well have the life jacket on, but would it help or hinder??? The musto jackets supposed to be bouyent(it wont sink alone so it wount waterlog and make getting back on board more difficult)
Should i buy another inflatable life jacket to use if the day gets walm??
Very worring! Recently i got out my Musto "kit" i put the trousers and jacket with the life jacket attached to the jacket, and worderd what would happen if i really did got overboard?
The life jacket is buttoned on at the top and belt around the waist.I wondered if i would/should wear one that i carry becouse i have to when anyone else is aboard,which is not the inflatable type,but has straps to stop it riding up??
I again wonderd what would happen if i was in the water with everything on and how quickly i could inflate the life jacket??
Once more i dont feel comfrotable wearing that lot! i can hardly move and feel as if i wareing a space suit.Im takeing it as i might feel even worse if in soaking wet and cold as well!!
Having been in the med i only used the jacket onece or twice to go ashore on a rainy day, but it was to hot and the jacket lived in a cupbaord ashore!! I always wonderd if the lack of easy movement could be the cause of going overboard??
In shorts and tea shirt movements very much quicker and little to snag? But a life jacket?? I always "intend" to put one on but i never have so far??? The reason the musto cant be worn without the jacket and the others are uncomfortable!!
If im wareing a jacket, i might just as well have the life jacket on, but would it help or hinder??? The musto jackets supposed to be bouyent(it wont sink alone so it wount waterlog and make getting back on board more difficult)
Should i buy another inflatable life jacket to use if the day gets walm??
whisper
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Re: crotch, crotch, crotch, nice to see the spelling right nm
My experience has involved jumping o'board once with crotch straps fitted and once without. On the latter occasion the lifejacket did ride up my chest and proved very awkward to move in. Perhaps it was not adjusted tightly enough, I don't know. With the straps fitted, the jacket stayed lower down, I felt comfortable and could swim easily. I always wear a jacket with straps nowadays - well on an open deck anyway.
The fact that my crown jewels are of little value now has nothing to do with it /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
My experience has involved jumping o'board once with crotch straps fitted and once without. On the latter occasion the lifejacket did ride up my chest and proved very awkward to move in. Perhaps it was not adjusted tightly enough, I don't know. With the straps fitted, the jacket stayed lower down, I felt comfortable and could swim easily. I always wear a jacket with straps nowadays - well on an open deck anyway.
The fact that my crown jewels are of little value now has nothing to do with it /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
samuel
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Re: crotch, crotch, crotch, nice to see the spelling right nm
Crotch, crutch, Sorry !! The spell checker did not pick it up!! I suspect a woman wrote it.
Still if you had been picked up by the "straps" you wouldn't care how you spelt it either
Crotch, crutch, Sorry !! The spell checker did not pick it up!! I suspect a woman wrote it.
Still if you had been picked up by the "straps" you wouldn't care how you spelt it either
milltech
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Re: crotch, crotch, crotch, nice to see the spelling right nm
I suspect that's very true, you might even need a crutch for a few days!!
I suspect that's very true, you might even need a crutch for a few days!!
Rowana
Two steps lower than the ships' cat
Re: crotch, crotch, crotch, nice to see the spelling right nm
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The fact that my crown jewels are of little value now has nothing to do with it /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
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I know what you mean. Mine are the same as those on a Christmas tree- Just for decoration /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
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The fact that my crown jewels are of little value now has nothing to do with it /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
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I know what you mean. Mine are the same as those on a Christmas tree- Just for decoration /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
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Standard Marine Survival Course ....
As done by Merchant Navy Cadets .... etc.
You are advised to do two things when jumping into water with lifejacket, unofficially 3 actually .....
a) Both arms across chest with hands firmly grasping the collar of the jacket - the arms pressing the jacket to the body. The hands to prevent riding up.
b) To cross the legs as best as possible before hitting water !! Never managed that one - legs were flailing around too much ... but its to protect what little is left !!
The third is Pray !
The principle holds good for near all life-jackets...... and if you have ever jumped in .... it is a) bloody cold shock, b) frightening, c) something to avoid as much as possible .....
I did mine in Plymouth sound in early march as a cadet - not something I would want to repeat .....
As done by Merchant Navy Cadets .... etc.
You are advised to do two things when jumping into water with lifejacket, unofficially 3 actually .....
a) Both arms across chest with hands firmly grasping the collar of the jacket - the arms pressing the jacket to the body. The hands to prevent riding up.
b) To cross the legs as best as possible before hitting water !! Never managed that one - legs were flailing around too much ... but its to protect what little is left !!
The third is Pray !
The principle holds good for near all life-jackets...... and if you have ever jumped in .... it is a) bloody cold shock, b) frightening, c) something to avoid as much as possible .....
I did mine in Plymouth sound in early march as a cadet - not something I would want to repeat .....
bigmart
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Re: crotch, crotch, crotch, nice to see the spelling right nm
To be a little serious once again.
When we tested the Jackets, we jumped into the water, with them uninflated, some were auto, some were manual operation, when inflated, "All rode up without straps whether crutch or crotch variety!"
I repeat that in my opinion they are dangerous without straps.
Martin
To be a little serious once again.
When we tested the Jackets, we jumped into the water, with them uninflated, some were auto, some were manual operation, when inflated, "All rode up without straps whether crutch or crotch variety!"
I repeat that in my opinion they are dangerous without straps.
Martin
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Re: crotch, crotch, crotch, nice to see the spelling right nm
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Crotch, crutch, Sorry !! The spell checker did not pick it up!! I suspect a woman wrote it.
Still if you had been picked up by the "straps" you wouldn't care how you spelt it either
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If I were being doubly-pedantic (perish the thought /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif ) I could point out that both are acceptable spellings, although "crotch" is the more common
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Crotch, crutch, Sorry !! The spell checker did not pick it up!! I suspect a woman wrote it.
Still if you had been picked up by the "straps" you wouldn't care how you spelt it either
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If I were being doubly-pedantic (perish the thought /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif ) I could point out that both are acceptable spellings, although "crotch" is the more common
Krusty
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Re: crotch, crotch, crotch - yawn
The reference to wearing a lifejacket, un-inflated, under another jacket is alarming> I believe that when it inflates, the pressure is very likely to stave in the ribs before bursting the outer jacket > What a way to die!
The reference to wearing a lifejacket, un-inflated, under another jacket is alarming> I believe that when it inflates, the pressure is very likely to stave in the ribs before bursting the outer jacket > What a way to die!
whisper
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Re: crotch, crotch, crotch - yawn
Yes, sounds dodgy to me as well. The mind boggles at the scene as buttons and/or zips fly off in all directions - hopefully.
Yes, sounds dodgy to me as well. The mind boggles at the scene as buttons and/or zips fly off in all directions - hopefully.
trouville
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Re: crotch, crotch, crotch - yawn
I thought it could have been a good idea!!! Oh dear, perhaps a loose jacket? No,but the air pressure isent that great? perhaps the main problem would be getting to the inflation tube?
As a single hander i always intend to have a surfer multi mini flare with me, but i never put it in my pocket as i think its to dangerouse??
I still think shorts and tea shirt, and stay in the cockpit out of the hot sun with a cool orange drink (no alcohol in the heat!!) is the safest way.
I thought it could have been a good idea!!! Oh dear, perhaps a loose jacket? No,but the air pressure isent that great? perhaps the main problem would be getting to the inflation tube?
As a single hander i always intend to have a surfer multi mini flare with me, but i never put it in my pocket as i think its to dangerouse??
I still think shorts and tea shirt, and stay in the cockpit out of the hot sun with a cool orange drink (no alcohol in the heat!!) is the safest way.
BrendanS
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Re: crotch, crotch, crotch - yawn
Nice to see we agree for once. I have a pen mini flare set, velcro'd to inside of my life jacket. If I go in the water, they will be on outside of life jacket. Not as good as the grab bag of real flares in a container that will float and come with me, but if I go overboard unexpectedly, at least I'll have the hand held VHF and mini flares with me.
Having been in the water, I do question if I'd have the ability to set off the little pen flares with cold hands, but it's better than nothing
Nice to see we agree for once. I have a pen mini flare set, velcro'd to inside of my life jacket. If I go in the water, they will be on outside of life jacket. Not as good as the grab bag of real flares in a container that will float and come with me, but if I go overboard unexpectedly, at least I'll have the hand held VHF and mini flares with me.
Having been in the water, I do question if I'd have the ability to set off the little pen flares with cold hands, but it's better than nothing
richardandtracy
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Definitely think a crotchless jacket is nuts. But why do the crotched jackets only come with a single crotch rope (or all the ones I've seen). In gliders the parachute has a loop for each leg so that the men don't get damaged when using the chute. Is there something different about the anatomy of male sailors..?
Regards
Richard.
Regards
Richard.
fireball
New member
Erm - double loop for parachutes - I should flippin well think so!! If your putting your weight on them I'd rather not cut off circulation to one leg!
Your already reasonably bouyant in water so the pressure on one strap isn't so great - so for the majority two straps is luxury ... one strap tollerable ... zero straps -> just what I want!
Your already reasonably bouyant in water so the pressure on one strap isn't so great - so for the majority two straps is luxury ... one strap tollerable ... zero straps -> just what I want!
milltech
Active member
Re: crotch, crotch, crotch, nice to see the spelling right nm
OK, but more dangerous than not wearing a lifejacket?
I think one always needs to qualify advice.
OK, but more dangerous than not wearing a lifejacket?
I think one always needs to qualify advice.
bigmart
New member
Re: crotch, crotch, crotch, nice to see the spelling right nm
Yes, I do think that a Jacket without straps is more dangerous than not wearing a jacket.
Like I said the Jackets tend to ride up when inflated. This happens to such a degree thatit seriously affects the wearers ability to manouvre in the water. In my opinion you would have a greater chance of survival for a short period of time, say enough for one of those super perfect Man Overboard practices that the RYA have us doing on their courses.
In short I reckon a Jacket without Crutch/Crotch, or whatever other name you may want to call them, Straps would stand a fair chance of Drowning you in that time.
You don't have to take my advice & I do not advocate that you should not wear a Life Jacket or other Personal Flotation Device, I just say that when you do use the Straps!
Martin /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Yes, I do think that a Jacket without straps is more dangerous than not wearing a jacket.
Like I said the Jackets tend to ride up when inflated. This happens to such a degree thatit seriously affects the wearers ability to manouvre in the water. In my opinion you would have a greater chance of survival for a short period of time, say enough for one of those super perfect Man Overboard practices that the RYA have us doing on their courses.
In short I reckon a Jacket without Crutch/Crotch, or whatever other name you may want to call them, Straps would stand a fair chance of Drowning you in that time.
You don't have to take my advice & I do not advocate that you should not wear a Life Jacket or other Personal Flotation Device, I just say that when you do use the Straps!
Martin /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
BrendanS
Well-known member
Re: crotch, crotch, crotch, nice to see the spelling right nm
This topic has come up many times over the years. To my recollection, every single person who has been on one of the sea survival courses, which involves jumping into water with lifejackets and getting into life rafts etc, has recommended getting crotch straps
This topic has come up many times over the years. To my recollection, every single person who has been on one of the sea survival courses, which involves jumping into water with lifejackets and getting into life rafts etc, has recommended getting crotch straps
milltech
Active member
Re: crotch, crotch, crotch, nice to see the spelling right nm
That wasn't really my point, I accept the opinion but I'm not sure I'd go so far as to agree with bigmart that no lifejacket is better than one without crotch straps. It seems to me dangerous advice. Any floatation device must be better than none.
That wasn't really my point, I accept the opinion but I'm not sure I'd go so far as to agree with bigmart that no lifejacket is better than one without crotch straps. It seems to me dangerous advice. Any floatation device must be better than none.