Cruising chute cost - ballpark figure?

I have a cruising chute on a furler that SWMBO wont let me try until there is only 2kts of wind, and only after it has been exorcised by a priest.

You can pole out a chute to dead downwind quite successfully.
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FullCircle said:
I have a cruising chute on a furler that SWMBO wont let me try until there is only 2kts of wind, and only after it has been exorcised by a priest.

You can pole out a chute to dead downwind quite successfully.
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You've poled the wrong corner out. Pole the tack out and the flow over the sail is in the direction the sailmaker invisiged when he designed it...
 
Guapa said:
The spinnaker is now out of the question - I can barely lift the pole on my own.
I would hate to lose this aspect of sailing just because we are shorthanded.
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How about spending some cash on a carbon fibre spinnaker pole instead then? Re-use your end fittings and I'd bet on it working out cheaper than the existing quotes for a cruising chute. Advantages for "fully crewed" sailing as well!
 
flaming said:
How about spending some cash on a carbon fibre spinnaker pole instead then? Re-use your end fittings and I'd bet on it working out cheaper than the existing quotes for a cruising chute. Advantages for "fully crewed" sailing as well!
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... better still. Don't buy anything, but spend the money on paid crew to do all the hard work trimming your spinnaker while you helm or just sit back and relax.

I reckon your £3k would go a long way if you only expect to use a spinnaker or chute infrequently.;)
 
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flaming said:
You've poled the wrong corner out. Pole the tack out and the flow over the sail is in the direction the sailmaker invisiged when he designed it...
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Although technically correct from a sail perspective, almost impossible from a setup perspective. The pole would need to be so low at the outboard end to enable you to furl, unfurl that the guy and fore-guy would provide no downwards pull. A lot more faffing as well.

I've always done it as FullCircle has. Not making the best use of the sail, but far more effective downwind than no chute.
 
rb_stretch said:
Although technically correct from a sail perspective, almost impossible from a setup perspective. The pole would need to be so low at the outboard end to enable you to furl, unfurl that the guy and fore-guy would provide no downwards pull. A lot more faffing as well.

I've always done it as FullCircle has. Not making the best use of the sail, but far more effective downwind than no chute.
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I've sailed hundereds of miles with cruising chutes set up like that (ok, not set off furlers) with no problems. Sail is stable as hell, unlike when you pole out the clew. Need a shorter pole too....
 
flaming said:
I've sailed hundereds of miles with cruising chutes set up like that (ok, not set off furlers) with no problems. Sail is stable as hell, unlike when you pole out the clew. Need a shorter pole too....
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Without furler is the difference.

Haven't tried it myself, but even with a normal chute I presume the guys must be under a lot of tension to keep the pole down, cause the tack is a lot lower than on a normal spinnaker.
 
rb_stretch said:
Without furler is the difference.

Haven't tried it myself, but even with a normal chute I presume the guys must be under a lot of tension to keep the pole down, cause the tack is a lot lower than on a normal spinnaker.
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The guy & downhaul are pretty ineffective at keeping the pole down when you're using it with a cruising chute/assymetric. That's why you use a tack line.
 
JCP said:
The guy & downhaul are pretty ineffective at keeping the pole down when you're using it with a cruising chute/assymetric. That's why you use a tack line.
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If you read the thread carefully I think you'll find that we are violently in agreement.
 
I hope not violently anything. :-)

I'm supporting using the pole on the tack, just saying you need a tack line to do that. I think we agree that the guy/downhaul can't hold the pole down sufficiently, but I'm not sure you agree with poling out the tack.

Still in any event, it's just my opinion based upon what I'd do.
 
Asymmetrics are not synonymous with easy of handling, believe me I have a 1100 sq ft monster plus they are less stable once launched.

My advice would be spend far less on a carbon pole. Then learn how to launch and recover the spi with two people, quite doable.
 
JCP said:
I hope not violently anything. :-)

I'm supporting using the pole on the tack, just saying you need a tack line to do that. I think we agree that the guy/downhaul can't hold the pole down sufficiently, but I'm not sure you agree with poling out the tack.

Still in any event, it's just my opinion based upon what I'd do.
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I'm with you, just curious as to Flaming's experience as he has done a lot of mileage with this arrangement, without mentioning a tack line. Like you I struggle to see how it would work, but I haven't actually tried it so interested to hear of real experience.
 
Angele said:
... better still. Don't buy anything, but spend the money on paid crew
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No - Guapa is strictly a family boat.
We've been sailing as a family for a decade now. It's great.
One word and they know what I want and how I want it done.

Only had non-family crew twice: a couple of years ago Mr Morgana and Mr Full Circle for a daysail and last year a longtime sailing friend for an Antwerp-Ostend trip.
 
rb_stretch said:
I'm with you, just curious as to Flaming's experience as he has done a lot of mileage with this arrangement, without mentioning a tack line. Like you I struggle to see how it would work, but I haven't actually tried it so interested to hear of real experience.
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Well, it depends on where your downhaul attaches. The cruising boat didn't actually have a downhaul on the pole, so it was all tack line. But we fly a-sails off the pole on the race boat without a tack line, which works fine as the downhaul is at the end of the pole.

But to be honest, when cruising, I'd use the tackline out of choice, it's already rigged, so why not?
 
flaming said:
Well, it depends on where your downhaul attaches. The cruising boat didn't actually have a downhaul on the pole, so it was all tack line. But we fly a-sails off the pole on the race boat without a tack line, which works fine as the downhaul is at the end of the pole.

But to be honest, when cruising, I'd use the tackline out of choice, it's already rigged, so why not?
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I was just wondering that as to whether you were using what the purists would call a foreguy and we were thinking of a downhaul going to a bridle on an end-for-end pole.
 
flaming said:
Well, it depends on where your downhaul attaches. The cruising boat didn't actually have a downhaul on the pole, so it was all tack line. But we fly a-sails off the pole on the race boat without a tack line, which works fine as the downhaul is at the end of the pole.

But to be honest, when cruising, I'd use the tackline out of choice, it's already rigged, so why not?
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Ed, it was always easier and quicker to do it that way, similar to poling out a Genoa.
I now have a MagicFurl, so that decision is made for me now.:D
 
Well, the first quote seems to have been somewhat out of the ordinary - 3.7K incl VAT & snuffer.

Since then, I've received 4 more quotes. All in the region of 2.2-2.5K incl VAT & snuffer.

If there's money left over, once I've settled the yard bill and paid the marina at the end of the month, I'll face the next challenge: how do I sneak this one past the wife?
 
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