Crossing the SW Sunk

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Precise details of timings, tide state, etc will have to wait another day but inbriefand roughly ...

We crossed between the waypoints given in Crossing the Thames Estuary at roughly low water - ish on a neap tide

From the book, chart and survey PDF off the accompanying web site, I was expecting at least 2.4m over CD plus the height of the tide ( which I didn't worry about factoring in as we only draw 0.9m)

Almost as soon as we turned at the Barrow Deep waypoint we encountered far less water than expected. In the area where the chart indicates over 3m*and the PDF indicates at least 2.4m, the depth sounder dropped to between 1.2 and 1.5 m for some way and briefly as low as 1m at one point before rising to around 2 to 2.5m for most of the way to the Black Deep waypoint

At about the hall way point, with 2.0m on the d sounder, the starboard keel bumped and graunched over something just to keep my nerves on edge

Our sounder is ( deliberately*) not calibrated and is located roughly 0.2m below the waterline ( it's under the bridge deck so this does rather depend on how many people are in the cockpit and how much beer is stashed under my bunk!) so add that to the depths above

Despite the huge tidal advantages (a fair tide for all but the last 5 miles or
so all g the way from Fambridge to Ramsgate), I wouldn't attempt the SW Sunk crossing at anything much less than half tide,

That's all from sunny Ramsgate!
 
Well done, very helpful; an early survey is really needed so I hope we get some settled weather in the last week of the month. Sounds like the Middle Sunk knoll has moved south-west during the winter; perhaps it will still be a viable half tide crossing point. I wonder if the Middle Sunk route (well clear of the old collapsed Sunk Beacon) is viable this year.

If I may ask a question - the 'graunching' - sound like over a bit of gravely sand or something else. Comparing 2012 with 2011, the SW Sunk did seem to be moving upwards.
 
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gravelly sand is exactly what I think it was, it didn't sound like something solid like debris or wreckage

there is, though, some dispute amongst the crew as to whether we hit something (I think we did) or whether we heeled to a gust ( but I'm the skipper so I'm right!)
 
Bruce, thanks for the update. I had hoped to get out there for a nose around, but weather and time have conspired against me.

Roger, If you do get out there, we are planning to go to Ramsgate on the 1st - 2nd June in company with another boat, so would appreciate any info.

Thanks

Ian & Jo
 
Bruce, thanks for the update. I had hoped to get out there for a nose around, but weather and time have conspired against me.

Roger, If you do get out there, we are planning to go to Ramsgate on the 1st - 2nd June in company with another boat, so would appreciate any info.

Thanks

Ian & Jo

Gitane is the other boat. Any update on water at Sunk Sands would be appreciated. Given the info above, the timings of the trip may need to rethought a bit.

Ron
 
I hope to finish fitting out by Friday and come off the 'beach' :rolleyes: at HW. I am kind of looking at Wednesday 29th or Thursday 30th weather permitting. I know it's further but don't forget that the crossing point over the Little Sunk (near the Barrow No 2) seems to be pretty stable.
 
I will cross over on Thursday evening around high water so I will post some rudimentary soundings when I can. Thanks for the info, Brigantia.
 
I crossed last night about 40 mins after LW on a 0.6m tide.

Was expecting to see nothing less than 40cm under the keel crossing in the vicinity of a 1.3m "sounding" and all the time we were between the 2m contours all was grand with more water than expected. Once clear of the shallows (according to the chart plotter) heading for Barrow No6 the depth didn't increase as expected and we touched (gentle SE breeze blowing us along at about 2.5kts) and rounded up. Pulling in the main sheet and genoa enduced sufficient heel to continue into deeper water.

This was followed by a grand reach up round the top of East Barrow and a dead run goose winged all the way to the Colne Bar with a rising moon behind us.

Interestingly I crossed in same place last year (and marked it on the Chart Plotter) just after LW and found 0.6m more than I had calculated so this 'growth' is fairly new.
 
Had been hoping to get down there on Thursday or Friday but at the moment it's looking a little as though there would be too much wind for an accurate survey. If I am interpreting this right it seems that the Middle Sunk has extended down during the winter right down to the Barrow No 6 which is a real pain. Is there any chance that Peter and Bruce you can give me some near times, positions and soundings over that shallow bit or at least some good estimates. I'll collect the actual tide data and do some interpolating as a stop gap until time and weather coincides. Still might improve for the end of the week.
 
Peter, thanks. Helpful. I suspect that bit might nigh on dry at CD now. Might need to revise my strategy of getting down there just after low water so there is enough water to find the extent of the shallows - which is a bit of a pain since it will involve some fighting of the tide to and from.
 
I've got timestamps on a track and some rough notes on soundings but it's all rather tricky to sort out on the bat phone! I'll download it and sort it when I get home at the weekend or just after
 
Good oh, that will be helpful. It's still looking like a little too much wind for accuracy tomorrow or Friday (I promised myself from experience it's pointless in anything over 10kts of wind because of pitch and roll)
 
Hi,

I scribbled down some numbers as I went over the SW Sunk very early last Friday morning. Hopefully they'll be some use. Depths are from the surface (not under the keel) and in metres.

The first reading is at 01:08 on 24/05

51°36.99 N 001°15.61 E - 4.1m
51°36.95 N 001°15.70 E - 4.6m
51°36.92 N 001°15.80 E - 5.5m
51°36.90 N 001°15.881 E - 5.9m
51°36.88 N 001°15.956 E - 6.1m
51°36.85 N 001°16.050 E - 6.8m
51°36.82 N 001°16.239 E - 8.9m
 
Hi,

I scribbled down some numbers as I went over the SW Sunk very early last Friday morning. Hopefully they'll be some use. Depths are from the surface (not under the keel) and in metres.

The first reading is at 01:08 on 24/05

51°36.99 N 001°15.61 E - 4.1m
51°36.95 N 001°15.70 E - 4.6m
51°36.92 N 001°15.80 E - 5.5m
51°36.90 N 001°15.881 E - 5.9m
51°36.88 N 001°15.956 E - 6.1m
51°36.85 N 001°16.050 E - 6.8m
51°36.82 N 001°16.239 E - 8.9m

Very useful thanks but a couple of questions to ensure accuracy:

1. 0108 BST?
2. Approx speed?
 
Here's Supine's data reduced to a datum plotted in Magenta on the CTTE chart. I have assumed his time is BST.



Question is: has the SW Sunk moved up or the Middle Sunk moved down? Last year there were definite signs of the SW Sunk moving up and the Middle Sunk moving down!

I wouldn't claim the reduction is as accurate as my normal process (no reflection on Supine there) but the profile shape will be right. I am pretty certain that LW springs will show drying patches where last year we were fine. Winds are looking very light for next week so I might be able to get down for a full going over.

Anybody else got any data?
 
Hope Roger doesn't mind, but here is the pic. ( I will take it down if you want Roger)

SWSunk2013Raw.jpg
 
No problem. I was just searching the setting page to work out why it wasn't displaying. What did I do wrong?

I used the Insert Picture link on the top bar when you are writing a thread. However, you can just post the URL sqeezed in between



That should do it
 
Very useful thanks but a couple of questions to ensure accuracy:

1. 0108 BST?
2. Approx speed?

Hi Roger,

Times are BST, and my approximate speed was 5 kts. The last reading was taken at 01:12. Obviously There is a lag between lat, long and depth, which I was trying to scribble down as best I could in the dark. I wouldn't stake my life on the accuracy but it's an indication at least.

Pete
 
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