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[bryanglover]

I believe a scaled down version of the series drogue could be used to get trailer sailers and small boats across bars. Very little work has been done in this area. I put this question to Donald Jordan, his response is:-

" I have not encouraged using a low drag version of the drogue to provide some control in other than serious conditions. The drogue is intended to provide protection in a "worst case" storm. I have concern that a reduced drag version may be misused. However, that is the responsibility of each skipper."

With the above very much in mind, i think the area should be explored. If you have a small boat , time on your hands, and have to cross a bar to get to where your headed and get home again, i would be happy to send you 30 cones free of charge to try out in your local conditions, in return for feedback. You can email me at :- seriesdrogue@hotmail.com

regards
bryan

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[snowleopard]

thanks... but no thanks.

the thought of crossing salcombe bar in a southerly gale, in the hope that a drogue would make it safe, doesn't appeal.

don't hold out too much hope of feedback - dead men tell no tales.

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[Benbow]

Agree. The purpose of a drogue is to keep you stably stern to wind and wave. When I think of say Caernarfon bar in a SW, to cross it you have to do a series of dog-legs across wind and waves. With a drogue, the head would be blown off and I would travel, in a very stable and controlled manner, into a sandbank and die.



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[bryanglover]

best way to eradicate poms

yes i want to kill poms

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[bryanglover]

If you go out in good weather, and just by chance things change, and very quickly that bar becomes a problem, what is your plan ...now...

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[ianwright]

Go somewhere else or get out to sea and stay there.
How much drag does 30 cones give at 0.5, 1, 1.5 and 2 knots? Might make an emergency brake for mooring with duff engine and/or no reverse.
Lighter than the bunch of chain on a line that I carry now anyway.
Go on then, send me some and I'll play with them,,,,,,,,,,,

IanW

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[ubuysa]

Re: best way to eradicate poms

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Come on now Bryan, your going to have to get over that World Cup defeat sooner or later. Take a leaf out of our book, we're over the France thingy already /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

Tony C.

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[snowleopard]

plan 1: divert to another harbour without a bar

plan 2: get some sea room
2a: heave to engines slow ahead or-
2a: run before it (f7-8)
2b: ditto trailing drogue/warps etc (f8-9)
2c: lie to sea anchor (f9 )

not against drogues in principle (in fact i must get one) but only for use with plenty of sea room.


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[bryanglover]

Ian,
Please email me, with your addr, and i will send.
seriesdrogue@hotmail.com
regards
bryan

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[seaesta]

Having crossed a bar by means of yacht surfing (very exciting but dont try it at home) I suggest that under some conditions you may not wish to be held back by a drogue - in my case it would have meant grounding and then being swamped by the next wave.
I got into this yacht surf because of inaccurate (totally wrong) tide tables supplied by a local marina and failing to observe the spray from the breaking waves. I got away with nothing worse than a major addrenalin rush. If, God forbid, I find myself crossing a bar in inappropriate conditions again I hope not to have a drogue trailing astern.
Martin - pom not con

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