dylanwinter
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Keep the H18 for pottering about but if you must cross oceans save up for a trip on something more like this
Hell on Earth
cross an ocean in a Hurley 18
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C08
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l'escargot
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So would your advice to the OP be that he can set off across the Atlantic with no navigational skills whatsoever as long as he takes "a few battery powered GPS devices" - that he needs no idea of pilotage, understanding of tides, the ability to read a chart or indeed even to have a chart?
dylanwinter
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well the jump to no charts is a large one
however, since you suggested it
a chartlet for the starting point and a similar one for the ending one would be handy
not sure that tides have much to do with crossing the atlantic
not sure what pilotage is in the modern world
certainly in the time of GPS and good weather reports it means a different thing from what it did in the 70's
so I guess I am saying that navigation is now a tiny part of any such endeavour.
I myself find a pea stick to be primary main aid to pilotage
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dom
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Well well well, "hegge" seems to be missing in action after his initial post though I sppose he might be using a wind-up GPS.
All he and Azimut 55 now need are two wind-up boats, a massive Scuttlebutt winter wind-up session and...
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Newfoundland here we come. I hear the crab are nice over there.
All he and Azimut 55 now need are two wind-up boats, a massive Scuttlebutt winter wind-up session and...
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Newfoundland here we come. I hear the crab are nice over there.
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VicS
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dylanwinter;5549854 I myself find a pea stick to be primary main aid to pilotage D[/QUOTE said:Pea sticks ???
Only if someone has already stuck 'em in to mark the channels
dylanwinter
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Well well well, "hegge" seems to be missing in action after his initial post though I sppose he might be using a wind-up GPS.
And there's the clue; all he and Azimut 55 now need are two wind-up boats, a massive Scuttlebutt winter wind-up session and...
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Newfoundland here we come. I hear the crab are nice over there.
you may be correct....
however, both posts are more interesting than the Happy birthday or the where is it brand? of posts which come from some very well established real people
ronsurf
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23 posts in and someone's trying to pick a fight.
rob2
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Some people who have good advice to offer will be reticent to engage as they would not want a tragedy on their conscience should it come to the worst. There have been books and magazine articles on preparing a small boat for such a voyage, most concentrate first on dealing with a swamping - watertight bulkheads, reducing the cockpit volume by installing buoyancy tanks, etc first. Then get everything checked, double checked and reinforced as there are few repair facilities on the ocean. Communications and their power sources are a challenge in a small boat as are the stowage of sufficient victuals and water - even when sail was the only form of sea transport many voyages involved massive detours just to make landfall to collect fresh drinking water. It certainly can be done, and has been, with or without various levels of navigational proficiency and equipment but there is a risk to your very life. A well set-up boat may well survive the most vicious storm but is quite likely to be disabled by it and if you aren't beaten to death down below during the storm, you will need rescue or starve afterward. A drifting boat can take months or years to be discovered and some never are, or haven't been yet.
Well that's the initial risk assessment. If you study and prepare and have more than a modicum of luck it could be the most glorious event in your life. Consider it carefully and extend your sailing horizons to get the feel for it - though long, single-handed journeys near any coastline or shipping route would be foolish as you cannot keep a watch 24/7, which is a requirement of international maritime law. Indeed, although single-handed sailing on ocean passages seem to be accepted, it is in effect illegal for that vey reason and in any incident your watchkeeping arrangements would immediately be called into question. I'm assuing with such a small vessel you are not hoping to accomodate any crew?
Rob.
Well that's the initial risk assessment. If you study and prepare and have more than a modicum of luck it could be the most glorious event in your life. Consider it carefully and extend your sailing horizons to get the feel for it - though long, single-handed journeys near any coastline or shipping route would be foolish as you cannot keep a watch 24/7, which is a requirement of international maritime law. Indeed, although single-handed sailing on ocean passages seem to be accepted, it is in effect illegal for that vey reason and in any incident your watchkeeping arrangements would immediately be called into question. I'm assuing with such a small vessel you are not hoping to accomodate any crew?
Rob.
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prv
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In mid-Atlantic he needs none of those things, no. Put a landfall waypoint into an old Garmin and it'll give you a course and distance for a great-circle route.
(And so what if the OP's a windup, it's still fun to think about)
Pete
l'escargot
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Not picking a fight at all. I might not have the same view but it's a question that is part of a discussion. What would your answer be or do you not want to join in the discussion?
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l'escargot
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No you don't mid Atlantic, that's the easy bit, but you still need to leave and arrive (which are the harder bits. So same question to you as Dylan?
It is just the fun of the thinking about it - the OP never said he was going to cross the Atlantic did he, so we probably don't need to think about the middle bit...
l'escargot
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I think you might have misunderstood my post - I said "navigating" as a general term, as in getting oneself from A to B. I wasn't referring to anything specific such as astro navigation.
I would say charts, tides, pilotage (navigation by sight) and even interpreting the screen of a chart plotter or GPS all fall under navigating - you are unlikely to turn up at B without at least those skills...
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PabloPicasso
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Ah, you have all the excuses lnes up don't ya
PabloPicasso
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Keep the H18 for pottering about but if you must cross oceans save up for a trip on something more like this
So that's what a seawytch looks like
PabloPicasso
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I heard about an old boy who transatlantic'd using a road map of the east coast of the USA. Apparently he reckoned Europe was behind him, nothing was between him and America worth worrying about. When he landed he stopped a local and asked them to show him where he was on his map. It's the KISS principle I suppose
Lucy52
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Not a Hurley 18 but a Hurley 20.
http://endlessdesign.com/noggin/
Quite close to what you want to do.
ronsurf
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See the little orange boats on the side? They're about the same length as a Seawytch
TOKOLOSHI
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That reminds me of a tale related to me of someone sailing with an old sea dog across the Atlantic, He was adamant that his sextant was something that cannot be dispensed with and ocean going essential must have! Skipper had all singing all dancing nav gear,"ah but you will need me when you have power failure", shortly after they had power failure and the old sea dog was in his element, "see I told you! You need me now with my sextant!" "You cannot cross oceans without back up". Skipper said nothing and went below to return with 2 battery powered GPS`s. "Yes, your right" said Skipper.
