Judders
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Sadly I don't seem to be able to get to the Limbo site and I'm struggling to find info on them. Any other links?
Creek Crawler
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BrendanS
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Re: Anderson 22 website
Never write off an old computer. One of the kids got one for free that was being thrown away by an ex neighbour. It's now running XP and wifi connected to house wireless network - just needed some cleaning out and a reinstall of operating system
Never write off an old computer. One of the kids got one for free that was being thrown away by an ex neighbour. It's now running XP and wifi connected to house wireless network - just needed some cleaning out and a reinstall of operating system
Lakesailor
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Re: Anderson 22 website
It would need a clean install and I can't be arsed. If I'm going to reinstall programmes and redo all my settings, I may as well do it on a new processor. Anyway it's a good excuse to update.
I will reformat this one and reinstal ME 'cos my neighbour fancies cataloguing his book collection. Over 8000, plus periodicals.
It would need a clean install and I can't be arsed. If I'm going to reinstall programmes and redo all my settings, I may as well do it on a new processor. Anyway it's a good excuse to update.
I will reformat this one and reinstal ME 'cos my neighbour fancies cataloguing his book collection. Over 8000, plus periodicals.
Mirelle
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Gaff/traditional style answer
Actually, I reckon you have some really good answers here already.
I think Fambridge may well be better, certainly cheaper, than Burnham (I sailed from there back in 1972, so I may be out of date!) and I agree with the Anderson 22 and with the Snapdragon 23, the Kingfisher and the Limbo (latter quite a bit faster!)
Still, here come some hoary traditional answers. I'm assumung that you have maybe 3K to spend on buying the boat, and will expect to spend another 1-2K fitting her out and on a season's sailing.
You can pick up a perfectly reasonable "two and half tonner"( an 18ft LOA, carvel planked, traditional looking little yacht) be she a Blackwater sloop, a Johnson and Jago, a Hillyard or a similar type, for not much money. I sailed mine for 12 years and got around Holland in her; her next owners got her to Falmouth and back, so they are quite capable. She is likely to come with a Stuart Turner engine, at which point we will collectively refer you to Fairways Marine in Maldon for all you need to know about them. You will need to tow a pram dinghy or get an inflatable. Generally, they command slightly higher prices if gaff rigged, but the performance of the bermudian ones may be better and you can always convert them (we did!)
Most of these boats are "deep" (say 3ft, or 3ft 6ins) keel but there are centreboarders amongst them. The deep ones will live in a mud berth or at Heybridge Basin (the traditionalist's answer to marinas!)
I think 2K to 3 K would be fair, 3K for a very tidy one.
In the same price range you can probably find a Kestel, a much more modern 22ft shoal draft clinker planked centreboarder designed by Jack Jones, which may well also have a Stuart Turner, there is an owners association and there are plenty of them about. Look carefully as condition varies. Nice boats and surprisingly good sailers, again well up to a North Sea crossing. They have a short stub keel but dry out quite happily on most drying moorings. If the Stuart is absent, expect to find an outboard although a few have diesels.
You may also turn up a Folkboat or two, 25ft clinker planked and really good performance, though we are at the bottom of the price range for these, and they are deep draft boats.
Look out also for the Eventide. the smaller size boats are within this price range - check condition carefully, as there may be plywood problems, but like the Kestrel this boat will sit happily on a cheap drying mooring - in the case of the Eventide this is because they have bilge keels.
There are several classes of clinker built centreboarder that were built in south Essex; some are better than others but they tend to be towards the top of your price range.
What this demonstrates I hope is that there are wooden creek crawlers with at least the ability of the fibreglass ones, at similar prices.
I would agree that the Blackwater is a better sailing base than the Crouch. If you find yourself with a boat but no mooring, remember Heybridge Basin.
Good luck!
Actually, I reckon you have some really good answers here already.
I think Fambridge may well be better, certainly cheaper, than Burnham (I sailed from there back in 1972, so I may be out of date!) and I agree with the Anderson 22 and with the Snapdragon 23, the Kingfisher and the Limbo (latter quite a bit faster!)
Still, here come some hoary traditional answers. I'm assumung that you have maybe 3K to spend on buying the boat, and will expect to spend another 1-2K fitting her out and on a season's sailing.
You can pick up a perfectly reasonable "two and half tonner"( an 18ft LOA, carvel planked, traditional looking little yacht) be she a Blackwater sloop, a Johnson and Jago, a Hillyard or a similar type, for not much money. I sailed mine for 12 years and got around Holland in her; her next owners got her to Falmouth and back, so they are quite capable. She is likely to come with a Stuart Turner engine, at which point we will collectively refer you to Fairways Marine in Maldon for all you need to know about them. You will need to tow a pram dinghy or get an inflatable. Generally, they command slightly higher prices if gaff rigged, but the performance of the bermudian ones may be better and you can always convert them (we did!)
Most of these boats are "deep" (say 3ft, or 3ft 6ins) keel but there are centreboarders amongst them. The deep ones will live in a mud berth or at Heybridge Basin (the traditionalist's answer to marinas!)
I think 2K to 3 K would be fair, 3K for a very tidy one.
In the same price range you can probably find a Kestel, a much more modern 22ft shoal draft clinker planked centreboarder designed by Jack Jones, which may well also have a Stuart Turner, there is an owners association and there are plenty of them about. Look carefully as condition varies. Nice boats and surprisingly good sailers, again well up to a North Sea crossing. They have a short stub keel but dry out quite happily on most drying moorings. If the Stuart is absent, expect to find an outboard although a few have diesels.
You may also turn up a Folkboat or two, 25ft clinker planked and really good performance, though we are at the bottom of the price range for these, and they are deep draft boats.
Look out also for the Eventide. the smaller size boats are within this price range - check condition carefully, as there may be plywood problems, but like the Kestrel this boat will sit happily on a cheap drying mooring - in the case of the Eventide this is because they have bilge keels.
There are several classes of clinker built centreboarder that were built in south Essex; some are better than others but they tend to be towards the top of your price range.
What this demonstrates I hope is that there are wooden creek crawlers with at least the ability of the fibreglass ones, at similar prices.
I would agree that the Blackwater is a better sailing base than the Crouch. If you find yourself with a boat but no mooring, remember Heybridge Basin.
Good luck!
pragmatist
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A short reply as I MUST step out into the rain and the dory and buy some supper but I would suggest a couple of things - list your requirements in order of priority - do you want to sail a fast boat or have lots of accommodation. We bought a 26 footer as our 2nd cruiser (cost 5k) and she sailed like a brick convenience - Sir knew I was wrong but humoured me. The next purchase sailed like a twin-keeled dream (Sadler 29). I rarely concur with graham but we _should_ have bought the Anderson 22 which Sir wanted (I said I couldn't fit 2 adults, 2 kids and 2 boxer dogs into one !).
If you want the boat on the Crouch consider the marinas further upstream - much cheaper and some are very lovely e.g West Wick. Great people, adequate facilities and none of the snobbery of Burnham.
If you want the boat on the Crouch consider the marinas further upstream - much cheaper and some are very lovely e.g West Wick. Great people, adequate facilities and none of the snobbery of Burnham.
FullCircle
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Ahem:
West Wick and Fambridge now one company. 1300 quid a year for a 22 footer. I know because my little Jouet 680 went there. No longer particularly cheap, but facilities improving. Save loads of dosh by going to Hullbridge for 350 quid a year, but take 4 hours to go anywhere at all.
700 quid buys a full tide mooring at Rice and Cole inc Winter. Slightly less if you have an inside 1/2 tide mooring
Paglesham around 400 quid also with the Paglesham Morrongs Assoc.
Bridgemarsh were 1700 quid for my 35 footer, which is about 1300 quid for a 22/23 ft. My choice.
Essex marina huge cost and tide into pontoons, not good. Minimum charge 7m maybe 8m. Similar Burnham Yacht Harbour but without the tide.
Priorsof Burnham charge you by the week. Think it was 12 quid a week in 2004. Have to seek winter storage though.
Club moorings avaialble in RCYC if you are on the wait list.
Gt Wakering up in Rochford very cheap, but little water really. Good family club.
If you get on the Limbo website, mine was Limbo Legend, No 126. Now in Brighton and not for sale.
West Wick and Fambridge now one company. 1300 quid a year for a 22 footer. I know because my little Jouet 680 went there. No longer particularly cheap, but facilities improving. Save loads of dosh by going to Hullbridge for 350 quid a year, but take 4 hours to go anywhere at all.
700 quid buys a full tide mooring at Rice and Cole inc Winter. Slightly less if you have an inside 1/2 tide mooring
Paglesham around 400 quid also with the Paglesham Morrongs Assoc.
Bridgemarsh were 1700 quid for my 35 footer, which is about 1300 quid for a 22/23 ft. My choice.
Essex marina huge cost and tide into pontoons, not good. Minimum charge 7m maybe 8m. Similar Burnham Yacht Harbour but without the tide.
Priorsof Burnham charge you by the week. Think it was 12 quid a week in 2004. Have to seek winter storage though.
Club moorings avaialble in RCYC if you are on the wait list.
Gt Wakering up in Rochford very cheap, but little water really. Good family club.
If you get on the Limbo website, mine was Limbo Legend, No 126. Now in Brighton and not for sale.
pragmatist
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Hi Jimdew
Haven't been to West Wick for about 4 yrs but really enjoyed it there - assume they have now sold out. If I had the choice I'd opt for the Blackwater - sadly the Crouch is not the prettiest of rivers and it seems to go on for a long long tieme so barring the joy of the seals mudbathing it palled on me.
As it is I'll stick to the Dart ! about 2k for a 40 footer on a pontoon mooring inc elec & water but no walk ashore. But if I had to choose on the Crouch I'd love Paglesham and the pub was great last time we went !
Penny
Haven't been to West Wick for about 4 yrs but really enjoyed it there - assume they have now sold out. If I had the choice I'd opt for the Blackwater - sadly the Crouch is not the prettiest of rivers and it seems to go on for a long long tieme so barring the joy of the seals mudbathing it palled on me.
As it is I'll stick to the Dart ! about 2k for a 40 footer on a pontoon mooring inc elec & water but no walk ashore. But if I had to choose on the Crouch I'd love Paglesham and the pub was great last time we went !
Penny
Mirelle
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\"Dead men\'s shoes...\"
Just a tad North of Burnham; 37 footer, deep water, well sheltered, mooring, £87 per annum. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
But it took 12 years on the waiting list!
In another couple of decades we'll have the tender on the part of the Club pontoon that does not dry out, as well... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Just a tad North of Burnham; 37 footer, deep water, well sheltered, mooring, £87 per annum. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
But it took 12 years on the waiting list!
In another couple of decades we'll have the tender on the part of the Club pontoon that does not dry out, as well... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
FullCircle
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Was in the Plough and Sail Paglesham on Saturday night...... yum Rib Eye and Bread & Butter pud /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
graham
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...... yum Rib Eye and Bread & Butter pud[ QUOTE ]
I usually have chips with mine....
...... yum Rib Eye and Bread & Butter pud[ QUOTE ]
I usually have chips with mine....