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[Mel]

And to follow this line of logic -- when you go sailing the consequence of a problem is that you may well drown -- so do not go sailing !!

 

[Deleted member 36384]

And to follow this line of logic -- when you go sailing the consequence of a problem is that you may well drown -- so do not go sailing !!

The above is a good example of a poor risk assessment. One could go sailing and reduce the probability of drowning in so many other ways than avoiding sailing.

 

[NormanS]

What a pathetic world some people live in. Mandatory to hang onto the handrail when going up and down the stairs.
Do you want handrails fitted to the hills?

 

[Mel]

Thank goodness for that --- exactly what I was getting at

 

[Lakesailor]

Since you mention it. A report from last year http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co...eaths_at_Jack_s_Rake_in_Lake_District/?ref=mr

One of my clients was fined £1000 when I use a forklift to gain access for a photograph in Hull a few years ago. Unfortunately the building site was opposite the H&S offices.

 

[NormanS]

Yes, it might be better if all the high sticky-up bits of the world were bull-dozed into the wet bits. Then nobody could fall off, and nobody could drown. Bummer for sailing.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Yes, it might be better if all the high sticky-up bits of the world were bull-dozed into the wet bits. Then nobody could fall off, and nobody could drown. Bummer for sailing.

As a matter of interest, do you ever wear a lifejacket when you go sailing?

 

[Lakesailor]

It's like Groundhog Day.

 

[chewi]

And to follow this line of logic -- when you go sailing the consequence of a problem is that you may well drown -- so do not go sailing !!

Apparently they operate another sort of logic, as they continue to produce Oil by minimising risk.

They may well die while producing Oil, so they take all the precautions they can to avoid it.
It's a little more constructive than your logic Mel.

 

[Pete54]

To all those who say there is no way other than riding on the boat due to no access or other constraints - the yard or travelift operator has failed to reduce the risks to personnel - particularly personnel not in his employ, to an ALARP level. A primary breach of a variety of a variety of UK laws but obviously most particularly the H&S@W 1974.

To all those who say there is no other way - you have failed risk assessment 101. To those of you who claim you have to expose yourselves to danger, well carry on, just remember that dying because the boat slipped through the strops or some other humdrum reason does make you a candidate for the Darwin awards. It is all rather like wearing a lead jacket instead of a life jacket.

 

[Lakesailor]

I bet you're a Safety Engineer.

 

[ghostlymoron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYJ-BVxEuWo
Slipping strops, tipping cranes. Don't ever stand on or under a load.

 

[westernman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYJ-BVxEuWo
Slipping strops, tipping cranes. Don't ever stand on or under a load.

That is a pretty convincing argument.

 

[Mel]

Or similarly never cross a road ! There are thousands of examples of people in harms way crossing such a risky piece of ground !! So don't do it

 

[JumbleDuck]

To all those who say there is no way other than riding on the boat due to no access or other constraints - the yard or travelift operator has failed to reduce the risks to personnel - particularly personnel not in his employ, to an ALARP level. A primary breach of a variety of a variety of UK laws but obviously most particularly the H&S@W 1974.

I think the problem may be that most owners consider only the risk to themselves, which for one lift each way per year is certainly low. For a yard doing perhaps hundreds of lifts a year, though, it doesn't look nearly so good.

It's a bit like the way dentists stand outside the door when they x-ray you: the risks to the patient are small but the cumulative risks to the staff are significant.

 

[JumbleDuck]

I bet you're a Safety Engineer.

An honourable profession which has saved many, many thousands of lives. I'm not one, by the way, but I have taught principles of loss prevention to undergraduate engineers.