Cracks in anti-fouling- Altex (Black)

[coopec]

not keen on the upholstery other than that which is personal taste thats a lovely interior!

I understand what you are saying regarding the upholstery.

I was thinking of pleated green but the upholsterer said that would be far too costly. He picked out about X30 different materials which he said would complement the vintage style of the yacht furniture. That one is the one I picked out and because he only had a limited meterage I got it at a very good price.

 

[coopec]

Coopec,

Don't let them get to you, I find your post interesting and would not want you to go on shore leave. Bite your tongue, leave them alone. Not everyone can be working on a yacht quite as well found as yours.

I've tried Altex No5 - you cannot get 2 years here. But AF performance varies with local conditions. Using any AF we get a different performance on one side from the other, presumably some affect of sunshine and from inside the hulls to outside, more and less light. I don't quite understand the sunlight effect as the yacht swings with the tide/wind and the sun regularly sweeps across the sky but presumably the hulls face more in one direction than the other.

Jonathan

I certainly won't let them get to me

Actually I feel sorry for them and wonder if the lockdown is getting to them? (apparently mental problems caused by lock-downs are increasing)

I will bite my tongue, no worries!!?

 

[rogerthebodger]

I certainly won't let them get to me

Actually I feel sorry for them and wonder if the lockdown is getting to them? (apparently mental problems caused by lock-downs are increasing)

I will bite my tongue, no worries!!?

That's what I started to do. I now just ignore the destructive people out their.

Having gone through the same as you building and fitting my own boat I have come to the conclusion that it the fact who find it difficult to recognize the effort and dedication it takes to complete building a boat. I did not build my hull it was built in 1978 and had 3 or 4 owners before me. The stats indicate the it the 3rd or 4th owner who completes and launches a boat. As you have taken the process all the way through is extortionary.

Some people cannot accept people creating and succeeding thus knock any one with this level of commitment especially when you have to earn a living at the same time as well as financing the build process.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

If the existing anti fouling is still adhered to the base layer don't worry rub down the existing anti fouling and apply new a just before you're ready to launch.

 

[coopec]

Problems Solved!!

I googled "Altex No 5 hairline cracks" and came up with confirmation (Geeez! Paul won't be impressed!)

Thanks to the knowledgeable fellows that have already pointed out that antifouling wouldn't handle full sun.

 

[PaulRainbow]

That'd be right.

It is only the keel that has the hairline cracks but that would be the only area of the anti-fouling that would get direct sun. If you look at the yacht, West, is to starboard (bow pointing South)

Placing the lead in the keel is my next trick. What are you doing next week?

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That looks very nice.

 

[rogerthebodger]

The online specs for the barrier coat and anti fouling stated the product should be applied in warm dry weather so I applied it in our summer (ie your winter). In Western Australia we basically have six months of dry weather followed by six months of wet/cold weather (unlike the UK where I believe it rains every other day)

You really are an insulting little troll, aren't you ?

As I am building my boat in the open I do outside jobs in the good weather and the inside jobs in the winter ie cold wet weather. I wondered why you seem bewildered at my approach but I suppose when you built your boat, since it rains often in the UK, it really didn't matter when you scheduled your jobs?

Here in the UK we sail our boats on the water, not in our gardens

To answer our query "How long to go before the boat is launched?" I think about six months.

I trust this answers your query

Delusional.

That'd be right.

It is only the keel that has the hairline cracks but that would be the only area of the anti-fouling that would get direct sun. If you look at the yacht, West, is to starboard (bow pointing South)

Placing the lead in the keel is my next trick. What are you doing next week?

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That looks very nice.

Paul

Your last post is quite a change from early. A very pleasant change I must say.

When comments like in the early post I included above will be taken by the other party as an insult and will put their backs up.

I personally like to respectful to others but it becomes difficult when you get sarcastic responses.

Paul lets all keep it pleasant and respectful and we will get along much better for the benefit of the less technically competent than you ,I and many others on the forum.

I hope you take this is the spirit of respect that I intend.

 

[PaulRainbow]

Paul

Your last post is quite a change from early. A very pleasant change I must say.

When comments like in the early post I included above will be taken by the other party as an insult and will put their backs up.

I personally like to respectful to others but it becomes difficult when you get sarcastic responses.

Paul lets all keep it pleasant and respectful and we will get along much better for the benefit of the less technically competent than you ,I and many others on the forum.

I hope you take this is the spirit of respect that I intend.

I tend to say it as i see it Roger, in the earlier post Clive was just being rude and/or sarcastic, i responded in kind.

Looking at the picture of his boat, it does indeed look very nice and i'm happy to say so.

Spirit taken

 

[rogerthebodger]

I tend to say it as i see it Roger, in the earlier post Clive was just being rude and/or sarcastic, i responded in kind.

Looking at the picture of his boat, it does indeed look very nice and i'm happy to say so.

Spirit taken

Yes we all do tend respond in kind and unfortunately it tend to escalate due to emotion. I do try to reflect before posting but again emotions take over some times.

As the saying goes "revenge is a dish best served cold"

We all need to bite our tongues some times.

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

Regarding

Coopec,

I'd question why you used Altex No5 - its a really dated formulation - technology has moved on and though everyone has been suggesting AF will be banned - there is actually no major momentum in Australias to do so. Ring Phil Ross at Cruising Helmsman and ask for the copy of the AF survey they did a few years ago.

AF are not designed to be pretty and are not like decorative paints that strentch and compress - the resins are simply vehicles to allow you to adhere micron sized particles of poison to your hull. If your hull expands and contracts (in the sun) then you can expect there to be cracks - as long as the AF is not blistering my worry would be what 'underneath' is expanding and contracting to allow the AF to crack. As is implied AF is designed to be applied and the vessel immersed in water and the temperature range to which the paint is subject is not as extreme as you get in the fresh air - of Sydney or Perth - where our sea temps are from about 16-26.

It would have helped if you had posed a picture of the cracks - and then the armchair experts could have had a field day.

I don't think there appear to be any surface coating experts here - I'd ring Altex and ask for their comments. They are local - they might know (though I suspect they will offer some platitude and suggest you should have wetted it, continuously.

Better AF would be Hempel's Globic and Jotun's SeaQuantum Ultra. Both are professional use only but both are available if you ask nicely and will give you 2 years (in the water). But they are not cheap - so I'd wait till your are ready. We will be applying Seaquantum in the next few weeks (and I'm not a professional - whatever that might be - monkeys could apply AF )

Jonathan

Lovely interior, we too used cabinet makers (or our boat builders did) for the interior (or they made all the doors, dovetails drawers, door frames (no veneers) - well worth the effort.

Regarding professionals v. monkeys; it's my impression that strictures placed on non-professionals applying Jotun anti foul may hinge around their lack of the highly-specced PPE that now seems to be recommended, plus training in its use.
Fortunately, here on Ireland, Jotun products seem to be readily available to the non-professional, (so far), and I take reasonable precautions when antifouling.

 

[coopec]

I tend to say it as i see it Roger, in the earlier post Clive was just being rude and/or sarcastic, i responded in kind.

Looking at the picture of his boat, it does indeed look very nice and i'm happy to say so.

Spirit taken

Paul

I know sometimes I have read a comment and thought "that's bloody rude" but then later I've read it again and when put in context it wasn't rude at all. I think we should all use emojis (emoticons) a lot more to convey the spirit in which it is meant.

I would never be intentionally rude to anyone but I do give short change to people who start criticizing my efforts to build
a yacht when:

• I know they have never built a yacht (and wouldn't know where to start)
• they don't know the weather conditions in WA.
• they don't know my work history (incl working in Africa and the NW iron ore mine) while yacht is under construction)
• they don't know my other on going projects.

Of course I'm always happy to compare notes with someone who has been there, done that in regard to yacht construction.

Thank you for your compliment in regard to the yacht
Cheers.

 

[coopec]

Regarding
Regarding professionals v. monkeys; it's my impression that strictures placed on non-professionals applying Jotun anti foul may hinge around their lack of the highly-specced PPE that now seems to be recommended, plus training in its use.
Fortunately, here on Ireland, Jotun products seem to be readily available to the non-professional, (so far), and I take reasonable precautions when antifouling.

I'm sure Jotun was one of the anti-fouling paints I was considering here in WA and there was no problem buying it but now I see on their data sheet it is for professional use only.

I live in a seaside holiday town so to avoid possible complaints when I'm spray painting or melting lead I always wait until the neighbors (and others) go back to the city and the wind is blowing any fumes out to sea.

 

[coopec]

The boat's been in his garden for 20 years. It isn't going anywhere in the near future. My guess is he's just doing easy jobs which will make him feel he's making progress.

Sometimes when I read your comments I wonder who does your shoe laces up for you each morning.

 

[pvb]

Sometimes when I read your comments I wonder who does your shoe laces up for you each morning.

Sometimes when I read your comments I realise why you've spent 20 years fitting out a hull.

 

[Neeves]

I have to ask - and what precisely is wrong with taking 20 years, if it is actually that long, to fit out a yacht? Many derive pleasure from such tasks and can still sail as crew on yachts of friends or maybe race dinghies. Others spend their time cruising in one geographic location, some enjoy crossing oceans. Some even make a career out of building yachts (and use those same skills in the limited spare time they have, to fit out their own yacht (over 20 years). Some people need most of their spare cash to bring up a family - and ekeing out the excess only allows a long term build schedule

It takes all sorts.

I confess I can be critical of the old salt who knows everything but turns out only lives on a floating caravan, seldom uses his sails and then only sails with in a tight geographic area - so I too am intolerant.

Jonathan

 

[coopec]

It takes all sorts.

I confess I can be critical of the old salt who knows everything but turns out only lives on a floating caravan, seldom uses his sails and then only sails with in a tight geographic area - so I too am intolerant.

Jonathan

And spends his spare time researching my internet activity (you can't get much lower than that! How pathetic?)?

 

[Neeves]

I have to ask - and what precisely is wrong with taking 20 years, if it is actually that long, to fit out a yacht? Many derive pleasure from such tasks and can still sail as crew on yachts of friends or maybe race dinghies. Others spend their time cruising in one geographic location, some enjoy crossing oceans. Some even make a career out of building yachts (and use those same skills in the limited spare time they have, to fit out their own yacht (over 20 years). Some people need most of their spare cash to bring up a family - and ekeing out the excess only allows a long term build schedule

It takes all sorts.

I confess I can be critical of the old salt who knows everything but turns out only lives on a floating caravan, seldom uses his sails and then only sails with in a tight geographic area - so I too am intolerant.

Jonathan

I was not particularly referring to anyone, at all, who has contributed to this thread - as my limited knowledge does not over lap on the professed knowledge base of some of the contributors. But if the cap fits......My comment was a generalisation

I do question anyone criticising how others spend their time. It does not seem to fit into the idea of 'being nice'. and certainly seems unnecessary

It would be interesting to know, sometimes, what members here do with their spare time Fitting out a yacht, with patience - actually does appear to fit in with the idea of 'Practical Boat Owner'.

Jonathan

 

[coopec]

I was not particularly referring to anyone, at all, who has contributed to this thread - as my limited knowledge does not over lap on the professed knowledge base of some of the contributors. But if the cap fits......My comment was a generalisation

I do question anyone criticising how others spend their time. It does not seem to fit into the idea of 'being nice'. and certainly seems unnecessary

It would be interesting to know, sometimes, what members here do with their spare time Fitting out a yacht, with patience - actually does appear to fit in with the idea of 'Practical Boat Owner'.

Jonathan

Agreed Neeves.

I am bewildered by anyone who criticizes another boatie on this forum for the choice of yacht, the choice of cruising grounds, the choice of multi-hull over mono-hull, the looks of their yacht, the standard of workmanship or time taken to build/refit a boat.

There is a lot of expertise on this forum which I appreciate very much . It is sad that there are people out there who think it is all about one-upmanship.

I think I better get back to repairing the lattice work on my veranda otherwise I'm going to be in big trouble when my wife gets home!?

Have a good day

 

[pvb]

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You might have done, for all I know. If you read the post again, I mentioned "fitting out a hull", not building it.

And your continued personal insults will eventually get you some shore leave...

 

[rogerthebodger]

You might have done, for all I know. If you read the post again, I mentioned "fitting out a hull", not building it.

And your continued personal insults will eventually get you some shore leave...

I have seen pictures of the hull that coopec built. It looked somewhere on a farm so could be some way from home.

Where I fitted my SA boat out was at least 30 minutes drive from home so that eats into working time and time available to do work. I personally could only work at week ends as I had a company to run during the week. Yes I could employ people to do some of the work but I could only visit during the office lunch break

When I rebuilt one of my boats when I was in the UK it was on my drive at home so I could d work on it after I can home fro work in th summer it light later into the evening so much quicker work.

You are making lots of assumptions and conjecture. You ahe made comments about Ex colonies and people from the Southern Hemisphere which could be construed as xenophobic.

Your comments also seem to be aimed at people who do thinks and coopec and myself have created our boats and you seem to have paid someone for your various boats. Yes that is a assumption but based on what we have seen.

If you have a comment to make if you make it in a sarcastic, derogative or condescending way people will react in kind.

The comments you make in the way I indicated above does you know favours and my view is that you must be right all the time and have an adverse reaction to anyone who has a different view.

I do expect you will react in your usual way which I have no interest in and your reactions could put other newcomers off posting and existing posters just like me ignore what you have to say.

Your contributions can be valid but you approach degrades the value of you contributions.

 

[Neeves]

I think I need to rejuvenate an anchor thread .....!

We have just enjoyed a joint birthday with my next door neighbour, a republican (whose birthday was on the 18th, mine, something of a royalist, on the 19th, a cousins on the 20th and a close friends birthday and wedding anniversary on the 23rd. The latter two don't have the pleasure of being able to worry about serious issues such as Royalist and Republicanism, or even democracy.. We have opposing politics - but we all sail. We accept each other views.

I'll update an anchor thread soon.

Venting disagreements over inanimate steel objects might be a beneficial balm.

I'd rather we were self moderating

Jonathan