Coppercoat

[Mister Rhino]

Anybody out there have an up to date idea of the cost of professionally applying Coppercoat to a 37 foot sailing yacht

Any recommendations for contractors in the solent area would also be welcome.

Feel free to PM me the ones to avoid.

Thanks

 

[sailaboutvic]

Have a word with CC UK i bet they can put you right .
We are about to do our boat in a month ,it will be the second boat we CC

 

[Elessar]

Anybody out there have an up to date idea of the cost of professionally applying Coppercoat to a 37 foot sailing yacht

Any recommendations for contractors in the solent area would also be welcome.

Feel free to PM me the ones to avoid.

Thanks

I’d recommend Paul Shotton (scoresby on here or pm me for phone no) he can do the full job including antifoul removal.

For price reckon on about 3 x the cost of the paint. 1/3 paint, 1/3 antifoul removal, 1/3 prep and apply.

 

[[70521]]

If you are going to the Southampton Boat Show visit their stand.

I got the boat copper coated at Mylor in Cornwall this summer and am delighted with the work. They have a shed set up for the work so it is done indoors the cost of other contratractors who build a tempory tent round the boat was well over what I wanted to pay.

 

[t21]

I have had CC on previous boat and this one. The stuff gives no protection against weed growth and eventually permits barnies, albeit only lightly attached. The next generation is the Silicon-based stuff, i think, so I'm going thattaway

 

[sailaboutvic]

I have had CC on previous boat and this one. The stuff gives no protection against weed growth and eventually permits barnies, albeit only lightly attached. The next generation is the Silicon-based stuff, i think, so I'm going thattaway

I think people are Miss led that any Antifouling will stop all fouling .
The great thing with CC is in warm waters a swim and a light rub to keep all the weed away .
But as you say if you leave the weed on barnies will take hold .

 

[[70521]]

I have had CC on previous boat and this one. The stuff gives no protection against weed growth and eventually permits barnies, albeit only lightly attached. The next generation is the Silicon-based stuff, i think, so I'm going thattaway

Let's hope you move at over seven knots all the time!

 

[Elessar]

I have had CC on previous boat and this one. The stuff gives no protection against weed growth and eventually permits barnies, albeit only lightly attached. The next generation is the Silicon-based stuff, i think, so I'm going thattaway

before going for it, do view some boats that have come out having had the treatment. There was one in the slings at shamrock over the weekend and the growth was quite spectacular, an inch thick hard and soft growth.
Jet washing removed 90% but there was still hard shell growth stuck fast to the silicone.

Now there could be 1000 reasons why this one failed and so this is only anecdotal evidence, but I would want to see have seen some that work before going for it.

Remember that once you've put silicone on you are stuck with it. You can't overpaint it. If you hate coppercoat it is easy to antifoul over the top. And for that matter easy to then strip back to the coppercoat!

 

[oldmanofthehills]

Interested as our newer boat has standard antifoul and after one year the weed and mussels were horrendous. Our older boat had coppercoat and just a few barnacles even ten years after coating. We did coppercoat on that as part of gelcoat refurb, and that was all quite expensive.

We could do it ourselves but the increased time given my zero hours new contract (Hurrah!) is offset by the fact that I'm actually getting a bit creaky

 

[Elessar]

Interested as our newer boat has standard antifoul and after one year the weed and mussels were horrendous. Our older boat had coppercoat and just a few barnacles even ten years after coating. We did coppercoat on that as part of gelcoat refurb, and that was all quite expensive.

We could do it ourselves but the increased time given my zero hours new contract (Hurrah!) is offset by the fact that I'm actually getting a bit creaky

Standard antifoul is getting weaker as the rules change. And there is more to come. Coppercoat has not changed and is unlikely to.

If we could still buy TBT I would paint over my Coppercoat.

 

[zoidberg]

Interesting to hear from Susie Goodall ( SIBS - Marlow Ropes Q&A Sunday ) that she had very limited g'b infestation, which crippled the efforts of others in the Golden Globe RTW solo race.
She had Coppercoat on her Rustler 36.... over painted with 3 coats of antifoul paint.

You'll need to ask her about what type. Her answer on Sunday was 'ambiguous'.

She did say that, 'next time' she just have Coppercoat, for she'd burnish it to go faster. And take extra barnacle scrapers......

And... I'd be very interested to know what antifoul paint was actually used on Jean-Luc VDH's boat.

 

[scotty123]

I have had CC on previous boat and this one. The stuff gives no protection against weed growth and eventually permits barnies, albeit only lightly attached. The next generation is the Silicon-based stuff, i think, so I'm going thattaway

I've noticed, when perusing 'boats for sale', many which have had CC, then reverted back to conventional antifouling & been puzzled why.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Over the next month we going back to CC , this will be the second boat we CC ,
For the med we love it . Not only it safe on the cost of hauling out each year but the dirty job of AF .
To top it up more and more yards want to do the work for you , Which mean up goes the cost of the yearly AF .

We met people who complain is that it doesn't stop slim and if left on fouling will then happen , the fact is that slim will latch on hulls , but the great thing is , it will just wipe off CC .
It will probably be around 2.5k to do this boat but 800 would need to be spend anyway to AF .

 

[langstonelayabout]

I think people are Miss led that any Antifouling will stop all fouling .
The great thing with CC is in warm waters a swim and a light rub to keep all the weed away .
But as you say if you leave the weed on barnies will take hold .

Hang on a moment. I'm trying to get my head around your statement...

If antifouling isn't supposed to stop fouling, what is it supposed to do please?

I had CC on a previous boat and it was so ineffective that it may as well not been there. 2" weed and small barnacles inside of 2 months. I did try and go for a swim and scrape/rub with carpet but the weed was firmly attached.

What have I missed out on please?

Oh, and remember that the USA is introducing legislation to ban copper-based antifouling and the boats that have it applied.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Hang on a moment. I'm trying to get my head around your statement...

If antifouling isn't supposed to stop fouling, what is it supposed to do please?

I had CC on a previous boat and it was so ineffective that it may as well not been there. 2" weed and small barnacles inside of 2 months. I did try and go for a swim and scrape/rub with carpet but the weed was firmly attached.

What have I missed out on please?

Oh, and remember that the USA is introducing legislation to ban copper-based antifouling and the boats that have it applied.

Please re read , I didn't say CC wont stop fouling , I said , people are misled that any Antifouling will stop all fouling .

Also we not in the USA and I guess many here reading this aren't , but just to add to your statement , our friends are just re applied CC in there boat and there are in the US , it's being done by a year ,

 

[oldmanofthehills]

I've noticed, when perusing 'boats for sale', many which have had CC, then reverted back to conventional antifouling & been puzzled why.

It may be because it was only weedfree with small barnacles they though Coppercoat wasnt wasnt working, so they paniced as it were, rather than polishing it back to effectiveness.

Others have suggested that standard antifoul over Coppercoat base is probably optimum protection though I would think that depleted antifoul would prevent the copper base from doing anything

 

[Daedelus]

After CCing boat was launched mid April, by mid June it had to be lifted out to have the luxurious growth of weed removed by pressure washing. Reverted to paint on antifoul which worked very well.

 

[Elessar]

After CCing boat was launched mid April, by mid June it had to be lifted out to have the luxurious growth of weed removed by pressure washing. Reverted to paint on antifoul which worked very well.

It doesn’t reach full strength for 3 months. You lifted it after 2 and gave up. Conventional antifoul reaches full strength after a week. Then it’s downhill from there......

 

[[70521]]

After CCing boat was launched mid April, by mid June it had to be lifted out to have the luxurious growth of weed removed by pressure washing. Reverted to paint on antifoul which worked very well.

I had the boat done in July and todate the hull is clean as a whistle.

Out of interest when and how was your CC applied?

One comment the yard did say was it does take a few months to become "active" and to expect some growth in the first season.

I am in Plymouth and from the evidence I've seen round the marina all the boats with CC are clean. Before I was CCed I had antifouled with one coat of the cheapest stuff I could find 15 months earier and looked like the hanging gardens of Babylon so can really see a difference.

 

[wizard]

After CCing boat was launched mid April, by mid June it had to be lifted out to have the luxurious growth of weed removed by pressure washing. Reverted to paint on antifoul which worked very well.

The colour changes over time to a deep green - I do not know the chemistry but this is when it becomes effective. Also you then have to use the boat occasionally and the slime that forms washes off. Simples.