copper disaster pix

[tcm]

here's a link to a freebie photo site where you can see a slide show of the pix of copper disaster - actually billed as a nice trip to the hamble for a quick lift to see how it was doing and patch a few bits...

For newbies, i used self-adhesive copper in March to line the in-water parts of the hull. Six weeks and 2,000 miles later, we lifted the boat again, found it was a ll rubbish, so ripped it all off and painted 3 coats of antifoul on and relaunched in 48 hours, which was a bit knackering and all rather expensive.

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://members8.clubphoto.com/matthew497734/2390280/owner-2fe7.phtml>http://members8.clubphoto.com/matthew497734/2390280/owner-2fe7.phtml</A>
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[Tomsk]

Hmmmm... now where has TCM put the link? Is it under his anitfoul? Or perhaps under the pile of copper sheets in the corner...

<hr width=100% size=1>Tomsk -

What the hell... it's only money!

 

[Tomsk]

Hmmm either TCM edited his post or I'm going / gone daft!

<hr width=100% size=1>Tomsk -

What the hell... it's only money!

 

[PaulF]

Unfortunately could only access 3 shots.

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[Davy_S]

I can see three pics of the unfortunate disaster. The reason you cant is you have admitted to catching crabs! take antibiotics and try again /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Talbot]

Did you ever get anything meaningful back from the manufacturers of the copper? I would suspect that they are no longer on your Christmas card list!

It was a very expensive method to reduce the thickness of A/F paint on the bottom!


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[tcm]

well, as before, I didn't really try to get anything off them really, and no, not heard from them since. My daft experiment, not theirs.

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[PaulF]

Matt, I think you are a little hard on yourself.

The theory of what you tried made good sense, very good sense. While you were doing it my only reservation was that the sheets or strips were very small making it very labour intensive, and therefore unnecessarily expensive. I assumed, like a pillock, that the glue would do the job.

You mentioned at one point that the trailing edges had lifted near the back of the boat? Could this have been created by the prop side wash? The wash that runs,not in line with the flow of the boat but that which spills out from the centre of the props to the outside edge, this would increase dramatically when an engine was put in reverse.

I am sure you will not be the last to try such an experiment, I also expect somebody will make it work eventually.

It was, and still is, a sound idea. The technique needs tweaking.
Hats off to you for having the bottle to try it. Cheers, P

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[omega2]

Edge of Time is due a scrub and anti foul, can I borrow your labourers? They will not be required to remove any copper. No but seriosly you should be entitled to some redress from the company who manufacture or the suppliers, failing that have them supply and fit at their expense, a word with a legal bod may open up a way for you. Hope you can get satisfaction.

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[britemp]

What a nightmare - please keep us up to date with your correspondence with the copper suppliers! /forums/images/icons/wink.gif


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[tcm]

a note regarding legals

the suppliers of the copper are called "foil specialists", and they were and continue to be helpful types.

The idea of the copper is to reduce the number of liftouts required to clear barnacle growth, with which i was having a prob.

I found foil specialists, who had supplied copper foil to a chap with a sailing boat, and it had proven fine over two years. It had also been fitted to a 40 knotpowerboat. So it augered well.

I won't be challenging them to refund money, as no real guarantee could be given, not was it given . I bought the material, that's it.

I still think the idea is good, tho praps not for boats this big at these speeds. Especially around the bow and stern, in large volumes of turbulent water, the copper was almost destroyed. It remains the fact that smaller boats use the stuff with success.

I have no idea if the damage was done early (and the boat was in the water after 24 hours of finsihing the job) or later, but think it was done later - i saw the waterline damage in Barcelona, for example, and it seemed fine back in Toulon.

The real prize for these guys would be to find a product that works for boats 70-110 feet long - cos these numerous boats earn big charter money in a short summer season, can't be out of the water for de-barnacling too much, and of course they are not as price sensitive as non-charter or owner-driven boats so wouldn't flinch at £15-30 k if it meant not needing a lift ecvery year - when currently they might have two or three at up to three grand a pop.

Anyway, it didnt work for a bigger boat, so, darnit and move on, i think.



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[Dave_Snelson]

Knackering & expensive....oh master of the understatement!

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[DepSol]

Here you go Matt have a lok at this

http://C:\Documents and Settings\Dependable Solutions\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\OLKE\english.htm

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<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.soltron.co.uk>the website</A>

 

[Jim44]

Re: a note regarding legals

I know it is to late now but do you think 24 hours was long enough for the glue to dry? just a thought. I have never tried this and admire you for trying and the posistive thoughts towards the suppliers

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[BrendanS]

You can't post off your hard drive Dom, needs to be on the internet somewhere

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[DepSol]

Doh ok will wait until its on the web and give out URL DOH DOH DOH!!!!!!!!

<hr width=100% size=1>Dom

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.soltron.co.uk>the website</A>

 

[BrendanS]

piccies, or text.?....can put them up for you if you want?

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[tcm]

Re: a note regarding legals

Note that the stern had several days to dry as we started there on the thursday and moved forward finishing at the bow on the sunday. The stern and the bows were where there was most damage - around where the props are frexample most of the stuff had gone.

Note also that in some places the copper itself has been ripped apart - so the glue holds but the material itself was pounded to bits.

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