Cookers - Gas Vs. Spirit Burners

[Channel Ribs]

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Any tips where those stove-top ovens can be found in Sweden? Price?

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Not sure about Sweden, but I can send one out to you:
Omni Oven

 

[jenku]

Thanks. I'll check around here a little more first, though. I guess the free shipping offer is UK only as well? /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

 

[Colvic Watson]

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No insurance company has EVER asked me for a safety certificate for my gas system on ANY of the boats we have had.

[/ QUOTE ] Insurers for the last two boats (GJW & Coleman brokers) have asked us, bloomin' irritating. Both got Origo's quicker than planned.

And by the way, I love it when you get all antsy! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[TotOfRumTina]

Welcome to the forum .We have an Origo 2 burner spirit/meths stove .Really pleased with it after about 8 years of use. It doesnt have a grill but we manage OK .

Very safe as the fuel isnt pressurised,no gas bottles and pipework to bother about.

Hi can you just buy any ethanol they seem to sell lots on amazon does it have be specific ie for stoves etc

 

[jwilson]

For years I would not have gas aboard, had various Primus/Optimus paraffin cookers. Advantages - a lot of heat with a safe fuel - they really burn hotter than most marine gas cookers. Disadvantage - fiddly to light, and you have to know how to light them properly. Now use gas, cutoff below cooker and a gas alarm.

Used a boat once with a meths cooker - not much heat and more smell than either paraffin or gas

 

[Catalina36]

Q1. How many boats around the UK have gas for cooking or heating?

Q2. How often do you hear of a boat blown to bits by gas?

Let's try to keep a sense of proportion.

 

[doug748]

Hi can you just buy any ethanol they seem to sell lots on amazon does it have be specific ie for stoves etc

It's thirteen years ago everybody is dead or dribbling or locked up. Take a flask. :- )

 

[Poignard]

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr................

Nice bit of steak going there !

I've had both, and steak never tasted so good as when we used to cook on meths.

Apart from the smell, meths was fine, although some forumites say you can add water to help with this. Might be worth doing a search.

I do love my gas grill though. Toasted cheese underway at lunchtime is almost indecently pleasurable .

We have an Origo and make toasted cheese sandwiches on it with a gadget called a Diablo.

The Diablo

 

[JumbleDuck]

Bah. Replied to an ancient post and can't delete any more.

 

[steve yates]

We have an Origo and make toasted cheese sandwiches on it with a gadget called a Diablo.

The Diablo

That's a toastie, not toasted cheese. Different thing and nowhere near as tasty

 

[VicS]

Despite it being an ancient thread perhaps worth pointing out that Origo stoves are no longer produced.

 

[Laminar Flow]

I have used diesel as in a Dickinson range, meth, kerosene (parafin) and gas and not to mention electric with a generator.

My first choice is gas, it is clean, convenient and with some modicum of care, safe.
We have used it for ten years without fear or issue. We switched from using Camping gaz as it is obscenely expensive to the regular French pick-it-up-everywhere stuff at less than a third of the price. Install a sniffer and a shutoff and I seriously doubt they are any more dangerous than any of the other fuel varieties.

I have used a kerosene range; as said it can be fiddly to light and is smelly, needs to be pressurized. Requires meth to get it started. Finding both fuels in out of the way parts of the world can be tricky. Burns nice and hot.

Meth has the lowest BTU output of the lot. Try finding fuel for it in odd places; sometimes its cheaper to run the thing on rum. The non pressurized flame is nearly invisible and I very nearly once burnt down a boat with it when I mistakenly thought it was out; the burning curtain finally gave it away ... I've used it on three boats.

Diesel. I used it for some 10 years. The decks end up covered in black oily soot and when the wind is from the wrong direction or someone opens the wrong door, porthole or whatever, it backdrafts clouds of floating soot bunnies and bilious smoke into the cabin. Never again.

 

[Graham376]

"No insurance company has EVER asked me for a safety certificate for my gas system on ANY of the boats we have had."
However, if you were to have a fire related insurance claim the insurance company might suddenly become an awful lot keener about the existence or otherwise of a gas safety cert. The lack of same MIGHT provide them with a nice get out clause.
It can never be a bad idea to get the system safety checked. You just need to find a competent engineer you can trust who charges reasonably
Tim

I've never been asked for a certificate either and where we're based we'd be hard pushed to find someone Gas Safe certified. Having been through the Gas Board (as it was called then) training school, I'm quite happy to do my own maintenance.

 

[jwilson]

Me too - didn't spot how ancient the original post was!

 

[Praxinoscope]

There is one for sale at the moment on the ybw for sale thread, also it appears that Compass24 are still offering them for sale.
I have used these stoves on all my boats for the last 40 years, and it is such a pity that Dometic have discontinued them
I prefer the potential safety aspect of them, no possibility of gas leaks, and no need to find Somewhere to store the gas bottle.
Changed over to using bio-ethanol as a fuel which doesn't have the smell of meths.
Both meths and bio-ethanol can be used for quick cleaning jobs and as an emergency disinfectant.
The main disadvantages are the lack of a grill ( not sure if the oven version overcomes this) and the price of accessories, the pan holders and gimbal prices are extortionate.
When I read that the Origo was going to be discontinued I purchased a few spare parts, ( evaporation prevention pads, spare burner, spare flame spreader etc.) although this may have been a bit OTT as I have never had to replace any of these parts on my previous Origo stoves.

 

[ghostlymoron]

My first 17' boat came with a burner that used blocks of fire lighter - it was useless but would boil a kettle or fry a breakfast eventually. I installed a second hand gas camping stove which had 2 burners and GRILL - great improvement. Our first 30 footer had a gas with grill and OVEN - superb, we could do pizzas, pasties, bake bread (and toast it). To me it ticks all boxes and is safe provided you you have a gas detector and turn off at the bottle before turning in. (Even when it's pissing with rain!)

 

[GHA]

It's thirteen years ago ......

Kettle might be boiled by now on an origo then

 

[doug748]

Kettle might be boiled by now on an origo then

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Mind you if camping gaz goes up much more I'm getting the Trangia out of the attic.

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[BabaYaga]

Hi can you just buy any ethanol they seem to sell lots on amazon does it have be specific ie for stoves etc

To answer the "new" OP's question: Yes, pure ethanol works. The specific fuels for spirit stoves are often mixtures of mainly ethanol with some methanol and other substances such as propanol, with the aim of reducing sooting.

 

[Poignard]

That's a toastie, not toasted cheese. Different thing and nowhere near as tasty

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