Converting a Continental LPG regulator to Calor,can it be done?

[VicS]

I never made the opening post and i don't have a German regulator, have you been drinking ?

Sorry I thought it was the OP thanking me for finding it .......

 

[VicS]

Here is the same thing from Socal http://www.socal.co.uk/toolbox/regulators-adaptors/gaslow-uk-pol-to-21-8lh-cylinder-adaptor.html

And the least expensive I have found so far from Gaslow

http://www.gaslowdirect.com/epages/...jectPath=/Shops/cyujrhdmmu67/Products/01-1674


Note lower down the page they alo have the correct washers to connect to your German regulator http://www.gaslowdirect.com/epages/...jectPath=/Shops/cyujrhdmmu67/Products/01-8030
This one is probably also what you should be using at present to connect your regulator to a small Calor butane cylinder as it presumably fits the 7mm spigot to which you refered on your initial post.
It is the first time i have noticed any mention of the special washers for the German regulator

 

[Nicholas123]

Well done for finding it Vic, but it still makes little sense to me. A new regulator has to be the answer, if it needs to fit different bottles the link in post #12 soles it.

I'm all for saving a few quid, but when it comes to gas on my boat i tend to be just a little bit extra careful.

Another solution might be one of these : https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-medi...l_progressive,q_80,w_636/17ic37qjysg1zjpg.jpg

If you can't add anything constructive please sod off & take your negativity with you.Clearly there are some people that do not understand technical issues & so have no interest in solving them & you are one of them.I suggest you stick to things that you can understand & concern you like what colour your anchor is.

 

[Nicholas123]

And the least expensive I have found so far from Gaslow

http://www.gaslowdirect.com/epages/...jectPath=/Shops/cyujrhdmmu67/Products/01-1674


Note lower down the page they alo have the correct washers to connect to your German regulator http://www.gaslowdirect.com/epages/...jectPath=/Shops/cyujrhdmmu67/Products/01-8030
This one is probably also what you should be using at present to connect your regulator to a small Calor butane cylinder as it presumably fits the 7mm spigot to which you refered on your initial post.
It is the first time i have noticed any mention of the special washers for the German regulator

You've done a brilliant job Vic but I'm still not convinced it's right.I'll try to upload an image of my regulator to try & illustrate what I thinks wrong.I'm not convinced that the brass flange that fits inside the adaptor you have unearthed is of the same size & depth of the one that my regulator has,anyway have a look see what you think.

PS: Clearly neither the fabulous uploader connected to this site or the tiny pic one I uploaded is operating as it should,as usual :disgust: Back to the drawing board for now.

I give up.

 

[nigelmercier]

... A new regulator has to be the answer, if it needs to fit different bottles the link in post #12 soles it. I'm all for saving a few quid, but when it comes to gas on my boat i tend to be just a little bit extra careful...

My thoughts from first reading this thread. One fewer joins to go wrong.

 

[Nicholas123]

My thoughts from first reading this thread. One fewer joins to go wrong.

If you lot understood gas & were used to working with your hands maybe you would be a little bit less terrified of it.
Certainly the less joints the better but to some of us these technical issues represent a challenge & if nobody took up these challenges we would be back in the dark ages where witch doctors ruled our lives.

PS: By the way,my neighbour has given me a Propane regulator though it has'nt a gauge & is having a word with a friend of his to see if he has any spare bottles.Apparently he makes nice little wood burners out of them

 

[VicS]

You've done a brilliant job Vic but I'm still not convinced it's right.I'll try to upload an image of my regulator to try & illustrate what I thinks wrong.I'm not convinced that the brass flange that fits inside the adaptor you have unearthed is of the same size & depth of the one that my regulator has,anyway have a look see what you think. [

PS: Clearly neither the fabulous uploader connected to this site or the tiny pic one I uploaded is operating as it should,as usual :disgust: Back to the drawing board for now. I give up.

Dunno what you are doing wrong with the picture up loads. The forum "attachment" method always works for me when I try/ use it but normally I use Photobucket

You may have to take your regulator into one of the suppliers to check whether the adapter I am suggesting will work or not You say you are fitting it to a Calor butane cyl at the moment with the aid of some additional packing. That confirms that the thread ( 21.8mm LH) is correct. Maybe the special washer is the key and will take the place of your extra packing.

If this does not fit then I have no other suggestions apart from the far more sensible solution recommended throughout the thread of a bulk head regulator, HP hose and cylinder connector, or the Propane regulator from your neighbour ... assuming it is not already past its recommended replacement age .

At least the additional joints if you opt for the bulkhead regulator will not normally be disturbed and they will all be in the gas bottle locker

 

[PaulRainbow]

If you can't add anything constructive please sod off & take your negativity with you.Clearly there are some people that do not understand technical issues & so have no interest in solving them & you are one of them.I suggest you stick to things that you can understand & concern you like what colour your anchor is.

I understand technical issues very well. I don't understand why anyone would want to mess around bodging adapters up to decrepit old regulators, connected to decrepit old hoses.

I could solve your problem is 2 milliseconds, as have many other people on here, stop being ridiculous and replace the regulator.

 

[Nicholas123]

Dunno what you are doing wrong with the picture up loads. The forum "attachment" method always works for me when I try/ use it but normally I use Photobucket

You may have to take your regulator into one of the suppliers to check whether the adapter I am suggesting will work or not You say you are fitting it to a Calor butane cyl at the moment with the aid of some additional packing. That confirms that the thread ( 21.8mm LH) is correct. Maybe the special washer is the key and will take the place of your extra packing.

If this does not fit then I have no other suggestions apart from the far more sensible solution recommended throughout the thread of a bulk head regulator, HP hose and cylinder connector, or the Propane regulator from your neighbour ... assuming it is not already past its recommended replacement age .

At least the additional joints if you opt for the bulkhead regulator will not normally be disturbed and they will all be in the gas bottle locker

Greetings Vic,I'm not sure where you get that size from 21.8mm.I think you'll find the actual designation is a 22mm thread (in practice the od usually goes undersize on the male thread but this is just nit picking (unless left hand threads are different & my Zues tables don't cover them but I'd be surprised) I measured the bottle od & it conforms to this speculation.Anyway,
I have considered a bulkhead mounted regulator & it would mean drilling holes & housing it somewhere inside my gas locker which is somewhat self defeating.Plus of course it would be more expensive.

Your notion about the washer could well be right.Is a Calor Butane & Propane bottle thread the same? Anyway this 'development work' is in hand & I have plenty to frig about with :encouragement:

 

[Nicholas123]

I understand technical issues very well. I don't understand why anyone would want to mess around bodging adapters up to decrepit old regulators, connected to decrepit old hoses.

I could solve your problem is 2 milliseconds, as have many other people on here, stop being ridiculous and replace the regulator.

My regulator is not "decrepit" & neither is my much loved though venerable piece of gas hose,your prejudice is showing through as you have actually seen neither.
My advice for you my friend."An Engineer is a man who can do for five bob what any bloody fool can do for a quid." Now be a good boy & go & polish your anchor.

 

[VicS]

Greetings Vic,I'm not sure where you get that size from 21.8mm.I think you'll find the actual designation is a 22mm thread (in practice the od usually goes undersize on the male thread but this is just nit picking (unless left hand threads are different & my Zues tables don't cover them but I'd be surprised) I measured the bottle od & it conforms to this speculation.Anyway,
I have considered a bulkhead mounted regulator & it would mean drilling holes & housing it somewhere inside my gas locker which is somewhat self defeating.Plus of course it would be more expensive.

Your notion about the washer could well be right.Is a Calor Butane & Propane bottle thread the same? Anyway this 'development work' is in hand & I have plenty to frig about with :encouragement:

LH 21.8 is the thread size used on the small (4.5kg) Calor butane cyls . I dont know why this is not simply M22 but it is quoted on many of the websites that have been referred to! I don't understand how you could have missed it.

Calor butane cyls have a valve with male thread and a flat joint face but Calor propane cylinders have a POL type connection with a left handed female thread. Offhand I dont know the size. It may be Imperial.
( POL is an acronym for the name of the company that first made this type of connector, Prest-O-Lite)

 

[nigelmercier]

My regulator is not "decrepit" & neither is my much loved though venerable piece of gas hose...

Over 5 or 10 years old respectively? Junk.
Not marked as marine spec? Junk.

 

[Nicholas123]

LH 21.8 is the thread size used on the small (4.5kg) Calor butane cyls . I dont know why this is not simply M22 but it is quoted on many of the websites that have been referred to! I don't understand how you could have missed it.

Calor butane cyls have a valve with male thread and a flat joint face but Calor propane cylinders have a POL type connection with a left handed female thread. Offhand I dont know the size. It may be Imperial.
( POL is an acronym for the name of the company that first made this type of connector, Prest-O-Lite)

I did'nt look on "websites."Thread sizes in metric are the o/d's expressed in whole numbers that is the International standard.In metric there are no point somethings.......

Of course your right about the bottle connections.A different plug is needed for either anyway.They would appear to be 5/8" BSP which is where the confusion is coming in.The O/D is stated as .902" or that pans out as 22.8 mm to judge by my venerable old verniers.

PS: While the Propane thread corresponds to a 5/8" BSP thread it dos'nt appear to be tapered & the Butane one at 21.5mm which is what my Calor Butane bottle appears to be dos'nt seem to correspond to any thread I am familiar with so I can only assume they are unique to the Gas Industry.

 

[Nicholas123]

Over 5 or 10 years old respectively? Junk.
Not marked as marine spec? Junk.

That is your opinion & your welcome to it but it is not born out by practical application.(my previous boat had a regulator on it & I reckon it was all of twenty to thirty years old & it was still working perfectly when I sold it).Albeit being aluminium it was somewhat corroded on the outside.
Like I said "An Engineer is a man who can do for five bob what any bloody fool can do for a quid."

 

[VicS]

Like I said "An Engineer is a man who can do for five bob what any bloody fool can do for a quid."

I am afraid you are wrong.
An Engineer is the person who can, and does, design and compile specifications for equipment to perform its task safely and reliably for the required lifespan.

The person who then does for "five bob" what should cost " a quid" if done properly is the "bloody fool", the rogue trader, the cowboy plumber etc

I did'nt look on "websites."

So those of us you have attempted to find solutions to your problem, perhaps spending significant amounts of time doing so have been wasting our time.

I am sure other contributors to the thread will make a note of your ID and probably next time just allow any questions you may ask to float off into cyber space unanswered .

 

[nigelmercier]

That is your opinion & your [sic] welcome to it ..."

Ask your insurance company what they think.

 

[VicS]

Ask your insurance company what they think.

At least his views and cavalier attitude are now well documented on these forums. I am sure the archives will provide a useful record for the Coroner or prosecuting counsel to make use of.

Imagine a scenario similar to the case of the m.c. Arniston but involving fire or explosion rather than poisoning.

 

[PaulRainbow]

My regulator is not "decrepit" & neither is my much loved though venerable piece of gas hose,your prejudice is showing through as you have actually seen neither.
My advice for you my friend."An Engineer is a man who can do for five bob what any bloody fool can do for a quid." Now be a good boy & go & polish your anchor.

A fool is someone who treats LPG on a boat in the fashion that you do.

You are an idiot.

 

[Nicholas123]

I am afraid you are wrong.
An Engineer is the person who can, and does, design and compile specifications for equipment to perform its task safely and reliably for the required lifespan.

The person who then does for "five bob" what should cost " a quid" if done properly is the "bloody fool", the rogue trader, the cowboy plumber etc



So those of us you have attempted to find solutions to your problem, perhaps spending significant amounts of time doing so have been wasting our time.

I am sure other contributors to the thread will make a note of your ID and probably next time just allow any questions you may ask to float off into cyber space unanswered .

You are delusional & need to take your conceit up with Nevil Shute the bloke who made that quote in the context he made it not me.I hav'nt got time for such self serving conceit.

Nore shall I miss your advice since it seems to be compulsory & I am only really interested in a dialogue with people with open minds :encouragement:

 

[GHA]

That is your opinion & your welcome to it but it is not born out by practical application.(my previous boat had a regulator on it & I reckon it was all of twenty to thirty years old & it was still working perfectly when I sold it).Albeit being aluminium it was somewhat corroded on the outside.
Like I said "An Engineer is a man who can do for five bob what any bloody fool can do for a quid."

How did the bloody fool in this case know it was still working perfectly and not hanging on by it's fingertips?