Contaminated road fuel

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Cause it happens to be my main line of Business .... I don't make statements about your B&B ....... OK ! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Oh Dear Nigel!

Have you got the irony filter switched off today? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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This is an intriguing insight you're giving us. I can understand that run-of-the-mill ordinary petrol just comes out of a big storage tank somewhere, but what about the "special" branded products such as Shell Optimax and BP Ultimate? We're told these have special additives - are these just added when the tanker's filled up, or is the petrol specially blended and stored separately?

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Some are just higher octane ... 97 -98 instead of 95 ..., some have additives added when transfers are made ... It all depends on the storage facility itself. Some have small - med. size tanks that can have the "specials" alone ... others have large tanks so have to inject while transferring.

In the old days - I can tell you Shell Mileage ingredient was 5 ltr cans poured into selected ships tanks before discharge ashore etc. The actual component was a common product ... not allowed to tell you what it is ...
 
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Cause it happens to be my main line of Business .... I don't make statements about your B&B ....... OK ! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Oh Dear Nigel!

Have you got the irony filter switched off today? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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Would be better if it could be made a little more obvious ... as read it is not ....

Note I put a smiley at end of mine ...

The subject is a serious one and I was following that line to try and assist people to understand without crossing commercial confidentiality ......... maybe I should just pack up and leave you all to it ????
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A report on TV this morning stated Greenergy ( or that matches what they said ) as the supplier. They quoted it was a green fuel, as it was mixed with beat extract or something ??

Brian

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Greenergy is a S/Market and other outlets supplier of fuels - that is correct.
They also won awards for their Green Efforts etc.
They are a serious blender of Bio-Fuels etc. and also conventional.

But they buy stock as do others ... so ?????
 
I'm with Nigel on this. I've witnessed the various company tankers all queueing at the same pump in a refinery. It's common knowledge in the oil industry. I'm not in the industry but lived next to a refinery at one time.
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just how many refineries do people think there are in the UK supplying fuel to the whole market.

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The underlying fuel may be similar but, as Nigel says, there seems to be quite a few differences in what can be done to the underlying fuel before, or after, it is put into the road tankers.

Different blends and additives seem to be the things which can differentiate different brands, and are probably areas where economies can be made and, presumably, you tend to get what you pay for.
 
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Another possible bit of flippancy. All those advocating that you should spend an extra 4ppl or what have you are playing into Gordon's hands, he will quote you when he next seeks to raise fuel duty. Judging by the commenst by some on the Beeb's HYS this attitude must be being encouraged by government plants:-)

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Ah but......

When Gordon Brown takes his extra 4ppl, he gives nothing for it.

What I am suggesting is that for your 4ppl you get, (hopefully), a better quality of fuel.

Also, when GB adds his 4ppl, we have no choice but to pay it. When one supplier charges an extra 4ppl, we have a choice.

The fact is that GB will do whatever he wants to do, whether he gets good vibes or not.

We all know that the "green" airfare tax has nothing green about it whatsoever, nor does any increase in petrol tax.
 
[/ QUOTE ]Sugar beet > ethanol? That much makes sense though I feel unhappy about ethanol being the problem; it sounds unlikely.

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Interesting to get an insight into the way the brains of the saviors of our planet work!
"... That makes sense ... though I feel unhappy about ethanol (claimed to be the panacea) being the problem..."
Thus, the only possible conclusion : "it sounds unlikely" !

Thanks for this demonstration.


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Just heard on Ch 4 that the trouble was infact due to silicone. no details. will have to watch this evenings news braodcasts to find out more.

Yes lead would damage the "cat " but would you know until it failed an emisions test on an MOT? will silcones wreck the "cat" as well??????
 
The report I heard said that silicones were added to diesel as an anti-foaming agent so it looks like maybe there was some cross-contamination or someone added the wrong additive to the petrol!
 
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someone added the wrong additive to the petrol!

[/ QUOTE ] What someone in a Vodka induced haze in Latvia slung a couple of can fulls of the wrong stuff into a whole ship load do you think?
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someone added the wrong additive to the petrol!

[/ QUOTE ] What someone in a Vodka induced haze in Latvia slung a couple of can fulls of the wrong stuff into a whole ship load do you think?
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Brave man lol
 
I see that the press are variously reporting that 'silicon' or 'silicone' has been found it the fuel. Makes you weep. I well remember the days just after the introduction of the 'microprocessor' and the 'silicone chip' revolution. Do they send journalists to school? I still have my doubts.

My money is on lead but will we ever know because they are not supposed to put TEL in the fuel to get the octane up. TEL is a good deal cheaper than the alternatives and would anyone detect it unless they were specifically looking for it? Lead isn't a highly reactive element.
 
What they mean, and some reports on TV have explained this, that they have discovered silicon in the fuel but that it is probably present as a silicone not as elemental silicon. Presumably the methods used for the analysis so far will identify elements present rather than compounds, so if TEL had been present they would just have detected lead. I guess the next step is to identify the compound containing the silicon.

It is claimed that it is deposited on the sensors as silica which interfers with their operation. I don't know if any sensors have been examined to prove that they have a silica deposit on them but that would seem to me to be a logical next step.

I am wondering what effect silica deposits might have on the catalytic converters. It is well known that lead poisons the catalyst but what will be the effect of coating it in silica. Loads of cars failing the CO emisions test at their next MOT perhaps.
 
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someone added the wrong additive to the petrol!

[/ QUOTE ] What someone in a Vodka induced haze in Latvia slung a couple of can fulls of the wrong stuff into a whole ship load do you think?
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And I thought I'd get away with it ..... Shucks !!

As to Silicon .... Ha Ha Ha !!!! I have to laugh at the so-called experts out there quoting some old lady ... and some fabulous Reporter ...

No-ones come close yet !!!!

Anti-foaming agents !! ...... Have to remember that one ......
 
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.......to Silicon .... Ha Ha Ha !!!! I have to laugh at the so-called experts out there quoting some old lady ... and some fabulous Reporter ...

No-ones come close yet !!!!

Anti-foaming agents !! ...... Have to remember that one ......

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Well from:- http://www.smartsynthetics.com/faqs/questions_about_diesel_applications.htm

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Problem: Some owners of Ford trucks equipped with the IH Diesel engine have had drivability problems due to oil foaming. They have been told that it's because they are using AMSOIL.

Answer: All quality oils contain antifoam agents, usually silicone compounds. Silicone, in small quantities, is an excellent foam suppressant. Unfortunately, larger quantities actually contribute to the foam problem. AMSOIL uses the ideal quantity in the Diesel Motor Oil. In fact, when test comparisons are made between AMSOIL 5W-30 or 15W-40 and Shell Rotella T 15W-40, both AMSOIL oils better controlled foam than the Rotella T.

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Seems credible to me. What's wrong with it?
 
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