Constipated Harbours

MASH said:
Don't you think perhaps the OP meant a dozen or two new marinas around the country rather than a thousand in a forty mile stretch?
It is a very sensible suggestion.
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It may be sensible, but the fate of a few seabirds is far too important to allow any more room for us yotties.
 
Well as you pay by the metre anyway what's the problem?

Not sure that these waiting lists are still as long-on the river Dart the Harbour authority just advertised a selection of available moorings, some drying, some for smaller boats and one or two larger deepwater spots. We also found a berth in a marina on the Dart on arrival last year. Makes me question just how real these perceived problems are.
 
Just as politicians seem unable to say, " There are too many people[boats] and we can't afford it"

Mind you plenty of swinging moorings for all sizes at substantially less rates than the solent, at an ex Olympic venue.
 
Malabar said:
Not that long ago the average size of family cruiser was about 25 ft. We aspired to the larger boats such as a Twister (28ft) and dreamt of a real offshore cruiser such as the Contessa 32. Today you can add 10 ft to those sizes. Problem is today that those harbours with limited pontoon or swinging space are quickly filled up by very large cruisers, many crewed by only 2 people. Put a 40 ft Feeling and 40 ft Southerly lifting keeler into the anchorage at the top of Western Arm Newtown and you can forget trying to slide your 23 ft bilge keeler in. My proposal is that mooring charges should be based on a standard rate up to 30ft; after that add £30 per metre per night divided by the number of people on board.
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Yes, but that's basically because you are an envious bitter little tw@t
 
Gerry said:
Well as you pay by the metre anyway what's the problem?

Not sure that these waiting lists are still as long-on the river Dart the Harbour authority just advertised a selection of available moorings, some drying, some for smaller boats and one or two larger deepwater spots. We also found a berth in a marina on the Dart on arrival last year. Makes me question just how real these perceived problems are.
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Wat is the parking situation near there?
I would not take a mooring in an area where the council had introduced parking charges and maximum waiting times..
Indeed there are half tide moorings at maldon.. but there is. o car parking anywhere nearby... gues what?
 
Malabar said:
Not that long ago the average size of family cruiser was about 25 ft. We aspired to the larger boats such as a Twister (28ft) and dreamt of a real offshore cruiser such as the Contessa 32. Today you can add 10 ft to those sizes. Problem is today that those harbours with limited pontoon or swinging space are quickly filled up by very large cruisers, many crewed by only 2 people. Put a 40 ft Feeling and 40 ft Southerly lifting keeler into the anchorage at the top of Western Arm Newtown and you can forget trying to slide your 23 ft bilge keeler in. My proposal is that mooring charges should be based on a standard rate up to 30ft; after that add £30 per metre per night divided by the number of people on board.
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I'd suggest that you extend it to include a charge of say £5, or maybe £10 for every extra foot of unused pontoon beyond boat length to make it fair....that should keep the smaller boats out of the big berths too.... or don't you like that bit?
 
Tomahawk said:
Wat is the parking situation near there?
I would not take a mooring in an area where the council had introduced parking charges and maximum waiting times..
Indeed there are half tide moorings at maldon.. but there is. o car parking anywhere nearby... gues what?
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I guess like any other seaside town there is an issue with parking during the high season but to date we have always been able to park our car when we have been to town.

As we are currently spending time in a marina there is a parking spot included in the berth charge.
 
Malabar said:
Not that long ago the average size of family cruiser was about 25 ft. We aspired to the larger boats such as a Twister (28ft) and dreamt of a real offshore cruiser such as the Contessa 32. Today you can add 10 ft to those sizes. Problem is today that those harbours with limited pontoon or swinging space are quickly filled up by very large cruisers, many crewed by only 2 people. Put a 40 ft Feeling and 40 ft Southerly lifting keeler into the anchorage at the top of Western Arm Newtown and you can forget trying to slide your 23 ft bilge keeler in. My proposal is that mooring charges should be based on a standard rate up to 30ft; after that add £30 per metre per night divided by the number of people on board.
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Funny how everyone's idea of equity is to tax everyone else more, isn't it.
 
Malabar said:
Not that long ago the average size of family cruiser was about 25 ft. We aspired to the larger boats such as a Twister (28ft) and dreamt of a real offshore cruiser such as the Contessa 32. Today you can add 10 ft to those sizes. Problem is today that those harbours with limited pontoon or swinging space are quickly filled up by very large cruisers, many crewed by only 2 people. Put a 40 ft Feeling and 40 ft Southerly lifting keeler into the anchorage at the top of Western Arm Newtown and you can forget trying to slide your 23 ft bilge keeler in. My proposal is that mooring charges should be based on a standard rate up to 30ft; after that add £30 per metre per night divided by the number of people on board.
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Surely one 40 footer with two people on board uses less space in an anchorage than two singlehanded 23 footers?

Outside regatta weeks, I've always managed to find a space.
 
Malabar said:
Not that long ago the average size of family cruiser was about 25 ft. We aspired to the larger boats such as a Twister (28ft) and dreamt of a real offshore cruiser such as the Contessa 32. Today you can add 10 ft to those sizes. Problem is today that those harbours with limited pontoon or swinging space are quickly filled up by very large cruisers, many crewed by only 2 people. Put a 40 ft Feeling and 40 ft Southerly lifting keeler into the anchorage at the top of Western Arm Newtown and you can forget trying to slide your 23 ft bilge keeler in. My proposal is that mooring charges should be based on a standard rate up to 30ft; after that add £30 per metre per night divided by the number of people on board.
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I think it better that after 30 a standard charge but sub 30 £30/foot extra multiplied by the people onboard.
 
Searush said:
Just move somewhere where there is plenty of room & better sailing. Why does everyone want to be in the bloody awful Solent anyway?
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Noooooooo! Don't go sowing seeds of doubt. While all the bu88ers think that the Solent is "the norm" they'll stay there and leave room for the rest of us to enjoy ourselves. Oops... :o

Sorry, almost fell into the same trap. No-one outside the Solent really enjoys sailing, they just pretend they do. Really they have to put up with ice most of the year, voracious midges, perpetual rain and cannibalistic locals. You really wouldn't like it. :)
 
DaveS said:
Noooooooo! Don't go sowing seeds of doubt. While all the bu88ers think that the Solent is "the norm" they'll stay there and leave room for the rest of us to enjoy ourselves. Oops... :o

Sorry, almost fell into the same trap. No-one outside the Solent really enjoys sailing, they just pretend they do. Really they have to put up with ice most of the year, voracious midges, perpetual rain and cannibalistic locals. You really wouldn't like it. :)
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Most of that is true! ;)
 
Sailing outside the Solent is really scary cos you are surrounded by open horizon, the harbours are weather dependent and the wave trains are bigger, colder and wetter. Ugh

And then the tide turns against the wind...

And there's no one to wave at/ look at you
 
Blueboatman said:
Sailing outside the Solent is really scary cos you are surrounded by open horizon, the harbours are weather dependent and the wave trains are bigger, colder and wetter. Ugh

And then the tide turns against the wind...

And there's no one to wave at/ look at you
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& no others to test your IRPCS knowledge either!
 
Phoenix of Hamble said:
I'd suggest that you extend it to include a charge of say £5, or maybe £10 for every extra foot of unused pontoon beyond boat length to make it fair....that should keep the smaller boats out of the big berths too.... or don't you like that bit?
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I arrived in a marina in Portugal once, and they told us that they had no berths for a 38 footer, but they were happy to put us in a 70 foot berth and charge us for the full length.

We left.
 
Malabar said:
Not that long ago the average size of family cruiser was about 25 ft. We aspired to the larger boats such as a Twister (28ft) and dreamt of a real offshore cruiser such as the Contessa 32. Today you can add 10 ft to those sizes. Problem is today that those harbours with limited pontoon or swinging space are quickly filled up by very large cruisers, many crewed by only 2 people. Put a 40 ft Feeling and 40 ft Southerly lifting keeler into the anchorage at the top of Western Arm Newtown and you can forget trying to slide your 23 ft bilge keeler in. My proposal is that mooring charges should be based on a standard rate up to 30ft; after that add £30 per metre per night divided by the number of people on board.
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Cant help wondering if thats the post of someone with a serious case of envy.? What next?
Hotels charging per kilo of guest weight? Petrol stations altering price per litre according to car size. Fairness applies both ways - its fair to pay according to space occupied. Your suggestion is socialist
 
Bosun Higgs said:
Cant help wondering if thats the post of someone with a serious case of envy.? What next?
Hotels charging per kilo of guest weight? Petrol stations altering price per litre according to car size. Fairness applies both ways - its fair to pay according to space occupied. Your suggestion is socialist
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But then some people are !
There was a recent update from Samoan Airlines - about charging people by body weight, maybe relevant in Samoa? We already pay by the LOA metre pretty much anywhere one berths (or moors?) so it't par for the course.Some people do less badly than others under this scheme (note wording!). Nothing will ever be perfect, but expect something over 40 ft to cost a bit!!!

Graeme
 
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