Considerate use of ship's generator please

jrudge said:
I was on Cabrera ( Mallorca) a few weeks ago and a boat had a cheap DIY store type gen running. Annoying - yes. Sailboats running engines for long periods to change batteries - again you can hear it ( more so that a gen ) but there are all sorts you can get het up about. Jetskis through anchorages etc. Remember the person doing it by definition does not give a stuff so the only one who looses out on enjoyment is the person allowing themselves to get irritated!
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I hope Cabrera is still a highly constrained parking location on environmental grounds where advanced booking is required.

Mike.
 
pelicanpete said:
To the OP:
You partake in boating and it, as daft as it sounds to you, it isn't all about YOU!
Stop being so fragile...
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If you mean making a noisy racket all night inflicting it on other people - same goes for music as generators - and the word ' selfish ' makes you think of a lobster, don't expect the reasonable 99% of decent people to accept oaffish behaviour.
 
Seajet said:
The same people probably drive Audi's...:rolleyes:
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I drive and Audi. My autumn resolution will be to live up to the resultant reputation and annoy as many peasants as possible.

From what I hear, unthinking and arrogant behaviour is more common in the Med. I suspect that their societies have something of a hole in the middle such that the rich see themselves as far removed from the rest of us, unlike Northern Europe where social differences are more nuanced.
 
@seajet , if you was moored 6 mts away from me you wouldn't hear my gen , I would say my engine on tick over is at less three time louder , nothing hardly come out of the exhaust and the water which is what Normally the noises part come out,under the boat . The odd time that we moor to a quay and had to start the gen , if there anyone next to us we normally tell them the conversation nearly always goes around how quiet it is .

Inside we can sit and have a conversation talking normally,
What does make a racket is our water maker but then we only have that going when we on the move ,
So you see Generator don't have to be a pain to everyone .

if a Generator is fitted properly and sound proved you won't hear them .
I've hear people complaining about Generator only to be told it's their AC they can hear which can make. Hell of a noise .
But I do understand what some are saying here .
We sat at the end of a very long harbour wall two weeks ago stern on , only boat there till just as it was getting dark a skipper charter boat came in and moor one space away from us ,stern on , his engine went off and at the same time a gen started not only it was noisy but the fumes was heading for our cockpit , after talking to two different guys on board the captain came out, we explain the problem very quietly and told him we understand he as guest on board and they needed feeding but why moor so close when he could had moor 70 mts away with his exhaust facing away from us , when he knew he had to run the Gen ,
His answer was , because he could and if it's a problem then we should move ,
by now it's not only pitch black but blowing hard also getting lumpy , so to move was not going to be straight forward .

Those here who says they do this or that , I think you would come out the worst with three Turkish crew .
Only option we had was to shut our self inside , it's was 38c that evening . The gen went on till mid night and started again at 0730 .
In the morning I lost it and we hard one hell of a row on the quay , it got so loud that someone called the port police , at which point I thought they would take my side , not likely although the Geeks are not that chums with the Turkish ,
You can guess who side they took , charter boat with 10 guest on board our a Brit with two .
 
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johnalison said:
From what I hear, unthinking and arrogant behaviour is more common in the Med. I suspect that their societies have something of a hole in the middle such that the rich see themselves as far removed from the rest of us, unlike Northern Europe where social differences are more nuanced.
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As long term enjoyer of the eastern "Med" would like to suggest it is not the indigenous population who are unconsiderate towards others, very much the opposite, it can most frequently be found among those who have inflicted themselves on the area to enjoy its climate and food. Some of the attitudes towards locals by some of the boating community could be described as boorish and downright unpleasant.
 
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Minn said:
I remember the TSYT brig “Stavros Niarchos” running a very noisy generator alongside in Ipswich Wet Dock, whilst of course flying a gigantic Stena house flag. She then proceeded down the Orwell, with a fair wind, under power.
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Probably running at least two generators, especially if there was any cooking going on :). She's a 240v ship, more like the ones you're professionally familiar with than any yacht, three generators in the engine room and an emergency one at main-deck level in the focsle. Almost everything on board would be dead (right down to the steering, as far as I know) without at least one of them running. Backup battery on the open bridge for some radios, and hand-crank phone down to the engine room, but otherwise, dead ship.

The officers vary in their willingness to manoeuvre under sail, but most come from a powered maritime background (bulkers, box-boats, tugs, met one who'd been 17th officer on a cruise-ship) and tend to be a bit reluctant to trust the flappy bits until well out to sea. Also bear in mind they may well have just picked up a new crew of total newbies who don't even know what a rope is yet, and will take half an hour (quite literally) to get into position to think about handling the braces (square-rig equivalent of you or I taking a pull on the sheet). In fact, they might not yet have even been shown how to break out a square sail at all, and that could very easily take an hour or more to do the lower topsail on each mast as a first time, not to mention then trying to redeploy everybody onto uppers and then say forecourse and main topgallant.

Even real trading square-riggers often used to take a tug inshore :)

Pete
 
Long story,

but a chum and I got a lift on the late, missed TS Royalist.

She had a loudspeaker on the foredeck wired to the cockpit...

The Bosun had a bad stutter ( poor sod, no doubt an excellent sailor ) and took ages to get out something like " set fore topsail, man the braces " - the 1st mate somewhat uncaringly replied ' what ? '

I was rather impressed by the power even in that quite small square rigger, then I'm an Alan Villiers fan and have all his books; never met him but sailed with someone who had.
 
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prv said:
Probably running at least two generators, especially if there was any cooking going on :). She's a 240v ship, more like the ones you're professionally familiar with than any yacht, three generators in the engine room and an emergency one at main-deck level in the focsle. Almost everything on board would be dead (right down to the steering, as far as I know) without at least one of them running. Backup battery on the open bridge for some radios, and hand-crank phone down to the engine room, but otherwise, dead ship.

The officers vary in their willingness to manoeuvre under sail, but most come from a powered maritime background (bulkers, box-boats, tugs, met one who'd been 17th officer on a cruise-ship) and tend to be a bit reluctant to trust the flappy bits until well out to sea. Also bear in mind they may well have just picked up a new crew of total newbies who don't even know what a rope is yet, and will take half an hour (quite literally) to get into position to think about handling the braces (square-rig equivalent of you or I taking a pull on the sheet). In fact, they might not yet have even been shown how to break out a square sail at all, and that could very easily take an hour or more to do the lower topsail on each mast as a first time, not to mention then trying to redeploy everybody onto uppers and then say forecourse and main topgallant.

Even real trading square-riggers often used to take a tug inshore :)

Pete
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:encouragement:

Still, I'm not sure that facts and detailed knowledge of the subject matter fit in particularly well on this thread.
 
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Elecglitch said:
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Still, I'm note sure facts and detailed knowledge of the subject matter fit in particularly well on this thread.
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Oh I don't know about that, I think we all acknowledge that big ships have very different power needs to cruising boats. They could never survive on batteries, solar and wind gen. If one moors adjacent a big ship one expects and accepts genny noise, especially in commercial ports such as Campbeltown where we once enjoyed a 24/7 genny running on a Norwegian flagged live fish transport ship. Par for the course.
 
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