Colvic Victor 41 1985

[Norv]

Hi all,

A little advice from the more knowlageable.

I am about to purchase a Victor 41 and need some advice.
It has no protection from the eliments no pilot or wheel house just an open deck.
Does anyone know where I could get a premade canopy or have one made up?
It would need a wind screen can you buy them pre made for this model or would you need to make one from scratch?

Does anyone know where I could get the plans for this modle?

Anothe odd thing is that it has no entrance hatch just a hole with a lide behind the wheel..
The boat is docked in Cardiff
I thank anyone for their time and davice
Kind Regards

Norvin

 

[Tranona]

As you probably know, most of these boats were home completed from mouldings, often in an idiosyncratic way, like this one! Really should only be taken on by a practical person who knows what he wants to do and how to do it as you are on your own. That is why they are cheap as getting them up to speed eats up time and money. I don't recall there ever being a standard wheelhouse or shelter - the deck moulding was plain and builders made their own hatches etc. (I watched a friend build one in the early 80's).

So to answer your question you will have to design and build from scratch.

 

[penfold]

Definitely a blank canvas.

 

[Norv]

As you probably know, most of these boats were home completed from mouldings, often in an idiosyncratic way, like this one! Really should only be taken on by a practical person who knows what he wants to do and how to do it as you are on your own. That is why they are cheap as getting them up to speed eats up time and money. I don't recall there ever being a standard wheelhouse or shelter - the deck moulding was plain and builders made their own hatches etc. (I watched a friend build one in the early 80's).

So to answer your question you will have to design and build from scratch.

Thank you for your input as I thought no logic to the construction after the hull. It certainly helped me stop scratching my head. I just don't have the time to do it all. Cheers much appreciated.

 

[Tranona]

Thank you for your input as I thought no logic to the construction after the hull. It certainly helped me stop scratching my head. I just don't have the time to do it all. Cheers much appreciated.

Suggest then it is not the boat for you!

 

[Norv]

Hi well it is a good sized boat with what looks like a good engine not having heard it running but the Pilot house or deck covering and to rebuild the hatch would take a lot of time and money to construct. I do have the skills but not the time with all the other jobs that would need doing. I would also need to move it closer to where I live in South Yorks. So nopeI unless something changes, will have to keep looking as even getting a skilled person is impossible due to the season and them all being too busy. Cheers for all the advice. All the best

 

[Bajansailor]

So nope, unless something changes, will have to keep looking

That sounds like a very sensible decision to me!

Saying that, do you have any photos of the boat that you can post on here for reference, so that we can see what she looks like?

 

[Tranona]

bjmarine.net/boats-for-sale/1985-colvic-victor-41-united-kingdom-7796788/ No doubt built for the big adventure, but don't know whether it has any cruising history. Many of the type (and other big Colvic models) ended up never being really finished or went from owner to owner until they end up in the bargain basement end of the market.

On the other hand there were some superb examples, like the one I referred to earlier which took the builder and his family on their big adventure and ended up in the Med as an active charter boat. I think the owner had it over 20 years before selling it.

 

[Norv]

Hi all they have reduced the price on the Colvic Victor 41 that makes it more appealing, and having spent many hours traveling the country, I am back looking at the repairs needed.
As said it would need a windscreen and canopy but I see at shown in the images the the mast boom is anchored to the deck can that be relocated and can the boom be raised to allow for the canopy? If so what effect would it have on the sail area. I have included some images of the yachts deck area. Any thoughts would be much appreciated. cheers

 

[Tranona]

That is a common arrangement for the mainsheet, but you may be able to move it to the aft of the boom and relocate the traveller behind the wheel. difficult to say as your photos don't show the aft part of the cockpit. You can probably raise the boom by moving the gooseneck up and having the sail shortened. You would of course lose some area. Again difficult to say for certain from the photos, so suggest you discuss what is possible with a rigger and sailmaker.

 

[penfold]

More photos needed; for some reason brokers who aren't Boatshed think that the fewer photos they take the better(or they're seriously awful at photography and bin most of them).

From this pic I scraped off the tinternetz moving the track to the aft coaming should be possible, but may involve a longer boom.

 

[pvb]

Hi all they have reduced the price on the Colvic Victor 41 that makes it more appealing, and having spent many hours traveling the country, I am back looking at the repairs needed.
As said it would need a windscreen and canopy but I see at shown in the images the the mast boom is anchored to the deck can that be relocated and can the boom be raised to allow for the canopy? If so what effect would it have on the sail area. I have included some images of the yachts deck area. Any thoughts would be much appreciated. cheers

The price has been reduced to £17.5K. It's not worth anything like that, the photos of the interior show an incredibly amateurish fit-out. You'd need to spend a lot of money to get the boat seaworthy, and its resale value will still be a lot less than you'd have spent. Walk away.

 

[Kaiqr]

Out of curiosity, why do you think it's badly outfitted?
The chart table looks like a bit of a mess, but that seems quite common on older boats.
There's not many pictures...

Cheers
Kai

 

[pvb]

Out of curiosity, why do you think it's badly outfitted?
The chart table looks like a bit of a mess, but that seems quite common on older boats.

Don't you think this looks amateurish?

 

[Gary Fox]

I would pay to avoid having any dealings with that thing, you should literally run away. There are plenty of nice old boats around, you haven't found many yet, or you wouldn't be contemplating it. Keep looking and good luck!
What are you looking for, because there is no such thing as a cheap do-er upper for most people.

 

[anoccasionalyachtsman]

Don't you think this looks amateurish?

I think amateurish may actually be a step too far.

 

[Tranona]

Hi all they have reduced the price on the Colvic Victor 41 that makes it more appealing, and having spent many hours traveling the country, I am back looking at the repairs needed.
As said it would need a windscreen and canopy but I see at shown in the images the the mast boom is anchored to the deck can that be relocated and can the boom be raised to allow for the canopy? If so what effect would it have on the sail area. I have included some images of the yachts deck area. Any thoughts would be much appreciated. cheers

The £2k reduction in asking price is neither here nor there and does not change the fact that the boat is a money pit. I am not so scathing about the fit out - par for the course for a home completion of the period, but guess you will also find that the systems, particularly electrics and electronics are a dogs breakfast with subsequent owners adding on to what was probably a pretty basic original.

You don't say what you want the boat for. It is not the everyday weekend cruising boat, rather the sort of boat aspiring liveaboards buy because it has lots of space and potential but never actually go anywhere because thee is too much work and expense required to make it seaworthy. Add to that marina berths cost £4k+ a year even in the cheapest place and probably more where it is now so they end up in a mud berth up a river estuary somewhere. On the other hand if you have £30-40k, are well up on the practicalities of boatwork and have a year or so near full time you could turn that into a nice liveaboard cruising boat. However if you have £50-60k then you can buy a far better boat closer to readiness for cruising. For example this one yachts.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/colvic-victor-41-for-sale/641413 seems pretty much ready to go.

You might find this thread interesting as it concerns a somewhat similar boat purchase. Note that the boat was mobile when it was bought but it took 4 years and twice the purchase price to get it up to scratch. The poster is to be congratulated for his persistence! forums.ybw.com/index.php?threads/excited-and-happy-but-a-little-bit-scared.463514/

 

[Norv]

Might sound crazy but I was hoping to sail it through the Suez Canal

 

[Tranona]

Might sound crazy but I was hoping to sail it through the Suez Canal

Actually transiting the Suez Canal is relatively easy - however the gap between what that boat is now and getting it capable of undertaking a voyage from Cardiff to Egypt is huge!

Would be interesting to know the background of the boat over the last 35 years - where it has been and how many owners it has had.

 

[Bilgediver]

Hi well it is a good sized boat with what looks like a good engine not having heard it running but the Pilot house or deck covering and to rebuild the hatch would take a lot of time and money to construct. I do have the skills but not the time with all the other jobs that would need doing. I would also need to move it closer to where I live in South Yorks. So nopeI unless something changes, will have to keep looking as even getting a skilled person is impossible due to the season and them all being too busy. Cheers for all the advice. All the best

There are a few of these Colvics of varying size and all with pilot houses here in Scotland. Was there an optional molding as thy all look similar from about 35 ft up to 40+ There has been one in Charleston on the Forth since the 80's so maybe even Google Earth will give an idea.