Colregs, big mobo/small sailboat, on Hamble and similar

[benjenbav]

One assumes somebody has already stowed the ensign to stop it getting wet or nicked ,that bedroom window looks to be rather close to the water and........ you would have thought a decent sized anchor might have...............

Mebbe ‘im be a pirate, me hearty!

Startin’ this thread to get some local insight into the lay of the land.

Then, just when the fuss has died down and no-one suspects anything, up the Hamble e’ sneaks with no ensign or other visible means of identification, bent on pillage I dare say.

Aargh, shiver me timbers.

 

[jfm]

One assumes somebody has already stowed the ensign to stop it getting wet or nicked ,that bedroom window looks to be rather close to the water and........ you would have thought a decent sized anchor might have...............

I'm not following . The boat is wearing a red ensign in that photo and was for the whole trip up the Hamble.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1154856039976302&id=100063557502233

Bottom of hull windows = 650mm above w/line and they are in battleship-grade stainless steel frames bolted through the hull. Anchors are a pair @135kg each with 5 shackles of 14mm chain, and there's a main windlass plus a back up capstan each side (so 4 independent 3ph 400v electric motors at the bow capable of retrieve the anchors). Each anchor pocket has a spot light for night work and a camera. I'm not sure what more speccing you would like but I'm open to ideas

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Ensign

 

[Sticky Fingers]

I'm not following . The boat is wearing a red ensign in that photo and was for the whole trip up the Hamble.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1154856039976302&id=100063557502233

Bottom of hull windows = 650mm above w/line and they are in battleship-grade stainless steel frames bolted through the hull. Anchors are a pair @135kg each with 5 shackles of 14mm chain, and there's a main windlass plus a back up capstan each side (so 4 independent 3ph 400v electric motors at the bow capable of retrieve the anchors). Each anchor pocket has a spot light for night work and a camera. I'm not sure what more speccing you would like but I'm open to ideas

@jfm I think @oldgit is a bit of a scallywag, maybe his post was trying to stir up a response…

 

[WindyWindyWindy]

100% agree - is/was perfectly straightforward. I never suggested otherwise, and I expect most on here would find it that way. Ref my actual question, colregs, it was quiet and there was no traffic on the Hamble at lunchtime today that made the rule 9/18 interface particularly relevant.

Just as well.
A San Lorenzo SL96A is only 29.06m.

SL96 Asymmetric - Yacht - SL Range - Sanlorenzo Spa

 

[MapisM]

Bottom of hull windows = 650mm above w/line and they are in battleship-grade stainless steel frames bolted through the hull.

This is something I always liked of SL.
They were among the last to jump on the hull windows bandwagon, and when eventually they had to, because the market made them a "must have", they built them comme il faut.
IIRC, only 10 years ago, give or take - as opposed to 20+ of most other builders, whose glued hull glasses were already fading, making bubbles, or even cracking by the time SL made them with steel frames and glasses probably stronger than the hull itself!

 

[oldgit]

@jfm I think @oldgit is a bit of a scallywag, maybe his post was trying to stir up a response…

Ensigns
In hull windows
Anchors

What was missing ?

 

[dunedin]

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Passing Warsash. Nicked from the webcam.

Each to their own, and probably very nice inside - but it looks like a block of flats from the outside.
A Swan or a Wally 90 would be more elegant

 

[MapisM]

What was missing ?

AnCam?
BodgeFlow?
Exploding bog?
Pick your poison...

 

[MapisM]

A Swan or a Wally 90 would be more elegant

Talk about apples and oranges.
Saying that sailboats are more elegant than mobos would deserve to be included by Merrian-Webster among the examples of what the idiom "stating the obvious" means.
Look at an SL96 near a Princess X95, and you won't need to specify "each to their own" anymore!

 

[dunedin]

Talk about apples and oranges.
Saying that sailboats are more elegant than mobos would deserve to be included by Merrian-Webster among the examples of what the idiom "stating the obvious" means.
Look at an SL96 near a Princess X95, and you won't need to specify "each to their own" anymore!

My assumption is that owners only ever look at things like X95 from astern when docked in Monaco.

 

[MapisM]

Well, after comparing the SL to a block of flats, you'll struggle to think of an adequate analogy for the X95, I suppose?
And that applies also when looking at her from astern while docked!

 

[Stemar]

Saying that sailboats are more elegant than mobos would deserve to be included by Merrian-Webster among the examples of what the idiom "stating the obvious" means

Are you sure about that?

 

[capnsensible]

1930's v2020's. For me, both have their place.

 

[SC35]

I am a member of the local sailing club, and I also helm an 11m motor boat past the club beach.
The lay of the land is illustrated by the chart snippet below.
At lower tide states, a few metres out of the channel will result in an unhappy grounding on the mud: it's really quite tight in a couple of places.

Chichester HM has made it clear that the larger deep water channel in / out of the harbour does not qualify as a narrow channel.

Race officers never set a course that would go across the channel, but the dinghies do have to launch from the beach to get to the start line, which might involve crossing it.
Generally, it all works fine - the dinghies zip around the motor boat and do not expect me to rise 20m into the air to avoid them.

But every now and again, someone will not be paying attention and will tack underneath my bow or launch their little darlings from the beach without looking, triggering full reverse thrust and deployment of horn. I've never actually ended up on the mud / beach or hit anyone, but there have been a few close shaves at very low speed.

Clearly someone else has mentioned it, as inside the sailing club there is now a sign reminding sailors that there are motor boats operating out of the marina that can only operate within the channel. They usually have plenty of time before the race actually starts, so a quick look before launching makes things a lot easier for everyone.

 

[jfm]

Thanks SC35. Do you have a link to where “Chichester HM has made it clear that the larger deep water channel in / out of the harbour does not qualify as a narrow channel.” please?

I’m curious because I can’t see how a harbourmaster has the power to do that. For 2 reasons: (a) the concession granted to HMs in Colregs to make overriding local rules seems to me too limited to permit this, and (b) narrow channel is a question of fact not of designation by any person.

Edit: I just read the chi harbour rules here https://www.conservancy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Information-for-Mariners-Guide-2024.pdf

Section 2 of the notices to mariners, page 25, says I think the opposite of what you’re saying. It seems to suggest colregs rule 9 is fully in force. But I can see that I might be missing something in relation just to the larger channel and if so would be very grateful for a pointer or a link please.

 

[SC35]

I don’t have the original email, but there is this:

"The term narrow channel is relative and depends upon a vessels’ means of propulsion, size, manoeuvrability and the prevailing conditions. For instance all vessels should treat mooring fairways as narrow channels where as broader stretches of water may only be considered narrow channels by larger vessels"

https://www.conservancy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Collision_Regulations_Leaflet.pdf

So they are defining the fairways further up the harbour at Itchenor as a narrow channel for all vessels.
I am reading it as “advice and guidance” as opposed to “powers”.
It doesn’t define what a “larger vessel” would be.

Two boats can pass each other if careful in the marina channel and it's not dead low spring tide.
(good luck with a long fin keel on a low spring)

Eight boats abreast would be okay in most parts of the main channel, depending on the size of the boat.

If you were to turn up in a 30m yacht, you would headline the local news

 

[jfm]

Ok thanks.
That’s just a guidance leaflet and doesn’t even try to make mandatory rules. And it does not dictate that something isn’t a narrow channel (which a HM would have no legal power to do).
So all ok - thanks.

 

[MapisM]

Are you sure about that?

Yes, I am. You can find exceptions to almost any rule, of course - and I agree that your comparison is one of them.
But check out this 5 seconds abstract of a video, which shows some really beautiful mobos, including a couple of forum ones.
And tell me which is the one and only that stands out in terms of sheer beauty...

 

[PeterWright]

It seems to me that a 15m sailing vessel could well be more constrained by her draft than a 30m power vessel. Which one keeps clearing those circumstances?