Collision Regulations (Test your skills V)

[DAKA]

Here's the scene

You are leaving your finger berth which is at the end of a long narrow fairway
the side wind is gusting F7 with a strong side current swirling round.
You don't have a stern / bow thruster or by the end of the fairway it has over heated/broken.

Your fairway is too narrow to turn in and you are having to reverse out because someone has wedged you in.

Just as you are about to join the marina main fairway you notice a very tall mast heading toward you.

You are on his starboard side.

The yacht ( no sails up) is also on your starboard side .

 

[gjgm]

just so I have this right
there is a boat motoring down the fairway, and you are reversing into that fairway in front of it?

 

[DAKA]

I knew there should be an easy way of saying it /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

As I was hooting and reassuring my crew all was well as we were on his starboard side and he would yield ............my daughter pointed out that he was on our starboard side too , totally over looked by me as I was looking backward , then it was just a game of chicken .

 

[gjgm]

time to own something Dutch, then /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Kawasaki]

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I knew there should be an easy way of saying it /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif



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Cripes! glad you aint writing the next
WNS Scenario /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[Solitaire]

Well at the time of posting 33% wrong. Just because you are going backwards does not reverse port and starboard. The bows are the front of the boat and port and starboard are always in relation to that orientation.

 

[sarabande]

one snag is that you have sight of the other vessel (her mast) but she can't see you yet. Doesn't this limit the "in sight of one another" actions ?

 

[Paul_f7]

Are you the stand on vessel as you are "restricted in ability to manoeuvre"

 

[jfm]

He's not displaying any day shape to claim that status.

Fact is this is a lacuna in the rules. Boats are at right angles, and because one is strnagley in reverse they both have the other on starboard side. Both are give way, on a literal reading. A lacuna in the rules, but one that needs no correction becuase they can both proceed cautiously avoiding the other. Rather like two boats approaching head on - they have a 50%-each obligation to avoid a smash

 

[strakeryrius]

Isn't this a trick question? They're called the International Regulations for the Prevention of Collisions at SEA - which implies open water.

Here we're talking about a situation within the confines of a marina, and with restricted visibility due to the proximity of a large number of other boats. I would argue that the ColRegs don't apply - its down to both skippers to use common sense to avoid a collision.

 

[ebbtide]

We can all look up 'lacuna' if we need to (perhaps 'gap' or 'hiatus' would have been more readily understood) but 'strnagley'???
I'm lorst!

 

[rickp]

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Are you the stand on vessel as you are "restricted in ability to manoeuvre"

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You can only be "restricted in ability to manoeuvre" due to the nature of the work the vessel is involved in (eg. dredging, towing, surveying etc). Inability to apply common sense in a marina doesn't count /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[fireball]

It is my understanding that if you're joining the main fairway from the side then you are the give way vessel - not sure where I got that from, but that is what I've always applied - and no it isn't easy when there are (usually) sodding great big mobos parked on the hammer head so you can't see left and right ....

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Your fairway is too narrow to turn in and you are having to reverse out because someone has wedged you in.

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If you're currently going backwards is there nothing to stop you going forwards back down the fairway and try again once the boat with a mast has past?

 

[benjenbav]

I am not sure if this answer is technically correct. But, what I would do (from the pov of the mobo skipper) is this:

1. stream 100 fathoms of best-quality multiplait 20mm warp forward as a sea anchor to stabilise the lateral movement and keep my stern pointing straight out of the side channel.

2. uncoil another 50 fathoms of mooring warp, this time using 3 strand polyester, (minimum 16mm diameter), and have the crew take a turn around the nearest cleat on the nearby classic sailing boat and use that as a pivot point to spin me into a vacant berth.

In other words, the classic irt.

 

[mjf]

Explain then the IOW ferries.

Bow is direction of travel seems to me in such a case - likewise nav lights.

Last year saw one in Lymington steaming with navigation lights set as upon earlier arrival.....

 

[jfm]

Straker there is something in Colregs that defines their territory and afaik it is navigable waters etc so a marina on a solent river, say, is definitely covered by colregs. Local byelaws may apply and may override colregs

 

[Coupe]

Following a bit of a kerfuffle with a yacht a few years back, I always check before leaving the berth /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[Nick_H]

Well, in a marina scenario i'd vote the third option, the boat in the biggest fairway stands on, not because I can point to any part of the col regs that covers it, but because it intuitively makes sense, and is what people do in practice, therefore least chance of a collision. The boat in the bigger fairway should of course be ready to engage reverse, in case Daka is in the other boat. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[jfm]

Malaprop you remain and intensely irritating [--word removed--] who brings nothing to this forum. "Strnagely" was clearly a typo made by someone typing quickly. The clue is that the letters were transposed. Had I written "stranjely", it might well have been a misspelling. Anyway, why don't you just drop this criticism of posters' spelling, especially when the "mistake" concerned is a typo not a case of ignorance?

In another post today you ended a sentence in a preposition and you abbreviated "through" to "thro". That's fine by me on a forum, but the point is you have drawn a line beyond which YOU will not write perfect English, so why can't others be spared your criticism if they similarly draw such a line?

As for "lacuna", don't be ridiculous. I meant lacuna, and don't insult readers here by suggesting they don't understand it. It has a similar (but not identical) meaning to "gap", and a quite different meaning from "hiatus".

 

[DAKA]

Well done to all those that chose the technically correct option 2 and option 3 in the second part.
The IRPCS do indeed apply in a marina and as the boat reversing has no where to manoeuvre with out inflicting damage to other boats then the boat in the main fairway should give way to boats on his starboard side.

In fact that boat had already breached col regs in that he was on the port side of his fairway, had he been on the starboard side there would not have been a conflict in the first place.

It has to be said where this is the technically correct response the others where proven equally correct with their course of actions as this poll proves the majority of owners haven't got a clue about the regulations and how to behave causing a real dilemma.

5 blasts could also have been a correct response although would not really have helped the offending boat become more aware of the danger he was entering into by being on the wrong side of the fairway.

Only 2 suggested the Yacht always has priority , I guess had this question been posted on scuttleburks that option would have been far more popular.

As to the raging spellin/gramma nonsense, come on guys get a life or more to the point if you want readers to show an interest in your posts 'get a boating life ' /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif