Collision Regs question

[NUTMEG]

Vessel A can call for water to tack and vessel B has to give it.
Failure to give water can be construed as 'not taking action to avoid a collision' regardless of the circumstances.

Forgive my ignorance, but surely that is wrong. Been a while since my Dayskipper but I do not recall 'calling for water' in colregs. Happy to be corrected of course

 

[Doug_Stormforce]

Vessel A can call for water to tack and vessel B has to give it.
Failure to give water can be construed as 'not taking action to avoid a collision' regardless of the circumstances.

Maybe in a former edition of RRS (the rule is now "Room"). However there is no mention in the IRPCS of calling for water or a stand-on sailing boat having to tack when a give way vessel hails for "water" or "room".

A already discussed the give way yacht should slow down to comply with Rules 8 & 12.

That said a polite shout/request as has also been suggested makes sense.

RAM and CBD do not apply.

 

[Athene V30]

Forgive my ignorance, but surely that is wrong. Been a while since my Dayskipper but I do not recall 'calling for water' in colregs. Happy to be corrected of course

You are quite right, it is people getting racing rules confused with reality! Not that I race now, as I have better things to do with my time but recall something about it from my youth.

 

[scotty123]

The vessel near the shore simply needs to tack away from the shore and go behind the leeward vessel. If the vessels are so close together that the windward vessel cannot tack then it surely only needs to slow down for a few seconds to be able to drop behind the other vessel.

Talk about RAM or CBD seems completely OTT to me in this situation!

Richard

Its a theoretical discussion on another forum, between pedants & regarding col regs.

 

[Elessar]

Vessel A can call for water to tack and vessel B has to give it.
Failure to give water can be construed as 'not taking action to a
void a collision' regardless of the circumstances.

So you've assumed they're both racing?

 

[SAMYL]

So you've assumed they're both racing?

Yes, I was assuming they were both racing.

On the other hand if they were not racing it would be very unseamanlike and unmannerly for B not to access the situation properly and give A room.

 

[scotty123]

3(g) The term "vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre" means a vessel which from the nature of her work is restricted in her ability to manoeuvre as required by these rules and is therefore unable to keep out of the way of another vessel.

3(h) The term "vessel constrained by her draught" means a power-driven vessel which because of her draught in relation to available depth and width of navigable water is severely restricted in her ability to deviate from the course she is following.

Thank you for an response, which actually answered the question.

 

[Athene V30]

Thank you for an response, which actually answered the question.

Happy to be of service!

 

[bbg]

If A tacks she runs aground, so all the talk about calling for room to tack is meaningless (even if there were a rule about it).

A slows down and, if necessary, bears away and ducks B's stern. End of.

 

[savageseadog]

Under Racing Rules the shore is a continuous obstruction and A has the right to call for room and bear off to keep clear of the obstruction as necessary.

 

[bbg]

Under Racing Rules the shore is a continuous obstruction and A has the right to call for room and bear off to keep clear of the obstruction as necessary.

He said colregs, not RRS.
Under RRS A is only entitled to enough room not to hit the obstruction. A is not entitled to room to bear away from it.

 

[RestlessL]

It is a long time since I raced (dinghies), but in team racing this was a common tactic. Assuming A and B are leading then B could hold A back allowing the remaining boats in B's team to move into the lead.

J