Coastguards Are Revolting

Woodentop

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There has been a rumbling of discontent in the Maritime And Coastguard Agency about Coastguard pay for some time but now it is getting noisier.

When you call in your "Mayday" or "Pan Pan" message it will be received, handled and processed by staff who are paid just above the National Minimum Wage of £5.35 per hour.

Once upon a time the Coastguard was a home for retired seafarers who were topping up their full pensions from a long career at sea with a nice retirement job as a Coastguard.

That has changed. And has changed since many years ago. The people working there now are expected to study and know a full range of maritime subjects from Salvage Law to Search Planning to Pollution Control.

To put it in perspective; the call takers at the Fire,Police and Ambulance services are paid around 20K compared to the Coastguard at 12K.

While the Fire or Ambulance call centre employee might process the initial call and launch assets and a controller to the scene the Coastguard "call takers" coordinate the complete incident, do the search planning and task the assets.

Various government sponsored studies over the last few years have shown how underpaid the Coastguard are compared to the other 999 services.

A summary is to be found here Union Stuff
There are others.

Remember that the person who says " Received Mayday" and "The helicopter has been scrambled" is paid a lot less than the one who says " Do you want fries with that ?"

There are rumblings for a full strike - But how many would that kill ?
 

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Actually, just to put this in a rough perspective;

We are talking about the roughly 600 persons around the coast, who are looking for about 5k per year more each, to put them on less pay than the equivalent Ambulance/Fire/Police staff

which adds up to 3 million. Or one Olympic logo per 200 coastguards.

(Note Ambulance/Police/Fire staff are paid out of local council tax - not central tax as we are.)

Or you could say; The money we would like to be paid to us has already been pissed away on consultants to decide what we ought to have but shall not get.
 

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Signed!!!.....


...Why on earth is this petition necessary?? - Isn't it bloody obvious that these people deserve better remuneration and recognition? /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 

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Signed!!!.....

...Why on earth is this petition necessary??

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Because we think that to go on strike is to kill.
 
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Remember that the person who says " Received Mayday" and "The helicopter has been scrambled" is paid a lot less than the one who says " Do you want fries with that ?"

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Your principal grievance is very strong so there is no need to muddy the waters with this type of questionable statement. Anyhow I am off to sign the online petition.
 

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Very recently I looked at the Coast Gaurd Web Sight.
Thought I might like to lend a hand or be One.
Looked at the rates of pay.
Looked at the qualls and experience needed.
Thought the rates of pay were ridiculous.
Haven,t stopped consisering getting involved in some sort of capacity.
My thoughts at the time and now really were, flip this is a Labour of Love.
The Hourly rate is actually quite ridiculuos too.
For the amount of experience, knowledge, dedication and Proffesionalism required,
the Money side of things is actually A Joke!
Goes without saying--- One has Signed.
 

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He agreed

read then write /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

cheers Joe
 

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Remember that the person who says " Received Mayday" and "The helicopter has been scrambled" is paid a lot less than the one who says " Do you want fries with that ?"

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Your principal grievance is very strong so there is no need to muddy the waters with this type of questionable statement. Anyhow I am off to sign the online petition.

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I did not mean to use a questionable statement. My intention was to use a simple emotive comparison that would catch attention.

I stand open to your criticism. I am guilty of sensationalism and will be prepared to face your other comments which I hope I can answer convincingly ( and truthfully).
 

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There is no shortage of Coastguards so it must follow that their pay must be adequate or even excessive - fundamental economics.
 

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There is no shortage of Coastguards so it must follow that their pay must be adequate or even excessive - fundamental economics.

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There are two types of Coastguards.

You SEE the Coastguard Rescue Officers (called Auxillairies until last year). They will drop what they are doing, leave their jobs, and run to the clifftop to abseil down and winch up another jumper from Beachy Head. They have full time jobs which they abandon for a few hours each week. They are schoolteachers, car mechanics, plasterers, estate agents, farmers that dump their jobs and run. Very similar to RNLI Lifeboat crew. Volunteers. There is generally no shortage.

You HEAR the Coastguard Operations Room Staff. They work full time. They are Civil Servants on pay just above National Minimum Wage who direct and coordinate the Search and Rescue around the UK.They are paid out of central taxes. The equivalent staff at the Fire/Police/Ambulance Operations Rooms have a simpler job and are paid much more and out of council taxes.

There is not much of a shortage of willing community volunteers for the first part. (Varies around the country).

For part two we have a simple problem - to qualify to work for the MCA you must have the MCA recognised qualifications which will earn you more outside the MCA than inside.
 

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For part two we have a simple problem - to qualify to work for the MCA you must have the MCA recognised qualifications which will earn you more outside the MCA than inside.

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I didn't know McDonalds required qualifications ... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 

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Have signed up and emailed everyone I know remotely interested in sailing
 

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Nor is there a shortage of managers/external "consultants" in the health service, MP's in Parliament, ex "Directors" at Second Wednesday or any other share holder owned company , and they set their own pay!!!!!
 

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There is no shortage of Coastguards so it must follow that their pay must be adequate or even excessive - fundamental economics.

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There are Vacancies in My area.
Supply and Demand.
I remember that term when I (failed ,did A level economics) did the subject years ago.
Supply and Demand came back to Me later.
I supplied a demand and made a few quid out of it.
My Economics Lecturer went bankrupt!
He left Teaching and formed a business.
Supplying Economics Lecturers things they "Needed".
 
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