Classic? boat ?

When she starts appreciating in value?*


*With no account whatsoever of money/time spent on her of course.

Alternatively you know you have a classic when everyone tells you how much they would love to have a boat just like her but then immediately list the reasons why such a boat would be impractical/ impossible for them to own.

There is no age or date that gives classic status. "Classic", like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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Pretty good definition.

We have a comfortable family cruiser. She just happens to be an old, very pretty, one. She is used for the same thing that she has always been used for. Never been to a "classics rally" and not likely to go to one - too much chipped paint and scruffy varnish!

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Also, you may well have a classic when you have to take a deep breath when some one asks what sort of boat you have. What do you describe first? Rig, method of construction, materials of construction? e.g. Mirelles personal details.

PS Mirelle. IMHO You sail a classic boat whether you refer to it as such or not.

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there are no dates as for veteran & vintage cars. it usually degenerates into 'nothing newer than mine is classic'.

if you think yours is classic, be happy and ignore the snobs!

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I prefer the public opinion measure for a classic boat.
If more than 50% of passing trade stops and asks how old she is or what she is etc, your boat is a classic. The proportion of other boats in the Solent having a good look and giving us a wave is also a good measure.

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There is also the verbal public opinion method, when asked what boat you have, do they say

a) oh that's a nice boat,

or

b) do they ignor your reply,

if a) you probably have a classic.

Brian

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That method no longer works for wooden boats. People no longer understand the answer you give them.

Mind you, I haven't a clue when someone says they've got a modern one, either.

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Seeing as a lot of this seems to rest upon the opinions of passers by...

...what should you assume if four people wander along the pontoon, begin discussing the various peculiarities and idiosynchrosies of her usually well-though-of design, totally ignore your cheery salutation, and wander off chuckling?

Well, I just got mildly miffed.

I'd class Crystal as a classic, although she caries a laptop, some DVDs, and some Led Zeppelin CDs to prove she is still young at heart. I think it's because you can be woken up to hear the rain hammering on the coachroof, and somehow finding it's way down onto your sleeping bag, and not be particularly surprised or concerned.

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Then there answer does not count.

Question, why does plastic not equal classic?

In our yard next to us was a 32/35 foot Buchanan wooden yacht, our is a 27 foot Buchanan, same under water lines, but plastic.

So why do some people concider classic's must be wood.


Brian

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"some Led Zeppelin CDs to prove she is still young at heart"

Sorry you've lost me there with that contradiction in terms. I doubt very much that they would be deriding your fine sounding boat. Maybe they were just laughing at your CD collection?*


* Not that I claim to be any expert on modern beat combos.

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Which one, the larger wooden one from memory had East coast in it's name, the plastic one is a Halcyon 27.
Some point I want to look at the underwater lines of a East Anglian, as I wonder if the Halcyon was a plastic version of this one, thet seam to share a lot of detail.

Brian

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Yes, that's what I think too - the Halcyon looks very like an East Anglian to me.

(There's another Buchanan GRP design which I reckon is rather less of a "classic")

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There's one I know that's 4 foot shorter, though I have seen one with a dog house, which looks a lot more attractive.

Brian

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When referring to it as"old" or "second-hand" no longer does it justice.

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I like to think that some things are just too important or complicated to respond to a one-line definition, but there are some phrases that indicate the presence of a classic yacht and others which indicate its absence:
The name of the designer is important, as are words like "sheer", "overhangs" and "varnish".
As has been said, someone older than you will, at some point, say to you "I always hankered after one of them". It proves nothing but it makes you feel a lot better.
Non-cognoscenti will admire her, as well. They will use diffuse phrases like " a proper yacht" or "pretty lines".

Words that tend not to be associated (although I am happy to be corrected) are:
wiring loom, computer, nav instrument network, and especially "electric" and "working" in the same sentence.
The engine size is noticably smaller and/or the displacement noticably larger than anything you'll see at Southampton or Excel.

What is certain is that you don't need to grow a beard, smoke a disgusting pipe and start learning to splice wire and sing sea shanties! There are many grp boats over 40 years old nowadays, which 20 years ago would have had them counted as "classics", had they been wooden so the hull material is definitely immaterial!

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Oi! \"it\"? Don\'t you mean \"her\"? n.m.

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This may be of interest. When I kept a boat at Nth Fambridge there was a wooden boat there that was used, apparently, as the plug for the Halcyon 27. If memory serves me, she was called 'Ace of Diamonds'. Her owners never said that she was an East Anglian though. They did say that there was a slight flat in the quarter, can't remember which side, that has been faithfully reproduced in the plastic version! Be interesting to see how true that is.

I've not been to the yard for a couple of years so I don't know if she's still there.



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I'll have a look !.

The 27 was originally known as Diamond, the 23 was Crystal, so the Ace of Diamonds sounds good. The 27 is smaller than a East Anglian by 9 inches, but has similar lines, so may have been the basis for her.

Brian

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