Daydream believer
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Well etc etc etc TripAdvisor...
careful with the edits L@escargot !!!!
You are allowed to have a full scale slanging match but the moderator is trying to ban light hearted humour
cherish your harbour master - a rant!
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careful with the edits L@escargot !!!!
You are allowed to have a full scale slanging match but the moderator is trying to ban light hearted humour
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I can't say that I've read every contribution to this thread, I lost the will to live in amongst the arguments about the IoW and latterly Falmouth. However returning to the OP's original request:
"we just want cheap and secure moorings"
the issue is surely that within the capitalist economy every manager of an asset is generally obliged by the owner of that asset to maximise the return from that asset. Thus FHCs have the asset of the property falling within the FHC demise from the Crown Estate (and others) and may also hold a freehold themselves. Therefore the FHCs have no interest in providing "cheap and secure moorings" as that is not their strategy, they are seeking to maximise shareholder value.
The capitalist economy is not the driver within the public sector but there is no public money available to support yachting (as there is in other countries such as France) so we fall fairly and squarely in to the hands of the investment manager who will always seek maximum yield from the assets under his management (as that is why he is paid).
Interestingly where a council does have a water asset (Port of Truro for example) they are seeking to maximise yield from that asset to support more public spending.
So, the only conclusion can be that there will no longer be any cheap moorings where there is sufficient consumer demand to make the underlying asset valuable and therefore it will be managed it to maximise its value.
It is why Moitessier kept on sailing around the Cape of Good Hope (again) in 1968.......
"we just want cheap and secure moorings"
the issue is surely that within the capitalist economy every manager of an asset is generally obliged by the owner of that asset to maximise the return from that asset. Thus FHCs have the asset of the property falling within the FHC demise from the Crown Estate (and others) and may also hold a freehold themselves. Therefore the FHCs have no interest in providing "cheap and secure moorings" as that is not their strategy, they are seeking to maximise shareholder value.
The capitalist economy is not the driver within the public sector but there is no public money available to support yachting (as there is in other countries such as France) so we fall fairly and squarely in to the hands of the investment manager who will always seek maximum yield from the assets under his management (as that is why he is paid).
Interestingly where a council does have a water asset (Port of Truro for example) they are seeking to maximise yield from that asset to support more public spending.
So, the only conclusion can be that there will no longer be any cheap moorings where there is sufficient consumer demand to make the underlying asset valuable and therefore it will be managed it to maximise its value.
It is why Moitessier kept on sailing around the Cape of Good Hope (again) in 1968.......
JumbleDuck
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Enlighten me. What maintenance does the geographical feature require? Note that I fully accept that artificial structures like quays, dredged channels and so on need maintenance. There is, however, a strong belief that natural things need managed too ... thank goodness for oldharry and BORG.
Triassic
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There is nowhere to anchor in the Harbour as it dries but I believe the mooring fees on the pontoon are the cheapest in the Solent. You can always come by bus though...:encouragement:
Be ready for a bit on an anticlimax
Now if you really want some excitement, try Chichester Harbour - their problems are reportedly worse if you use the Jumbleduck/Seajet assessment method
That's a shame. Not having any keels I'm always very reluctant to dry out anywhere I can't physically check for debris first and looking at what images I can find of Newport I don't think I'd want to risk it.
By the way I've been into Chichester and personally I found it very pleasant, the people there were really helpful and able to hold quite sensible discussions. I'm sure we could find people like that in Newport as well if we were to look. You should never believe what you read on the Internet.
Elessar
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yep very isolated if 11 year ago. Happens a lot on the Thames. If at a unpoliced harbour or riverbank I always drop the anchor just in case, a habit from the river.
Triassic
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On the other hand I can see no reason why I shouldn't go up to Newport on the rising tide, moor up outside the Bargeman's Rest where I could enjoy a swift pint, and then have a short walk into town for any supplies I may need before catching the ebb out again. I'll include it in this years plans. Thanks.
TSB240
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So someone at the other end of the UK can spot the agro problem at Newport, rather like the Chinese Wall being visible from orbit,.
It would be OK to admit it, after all Wareham has an ongoing yobbo problem; the difference is, Wareham is worth visiting despite the hassle while Newport IOW could take a tactical nuclear strike and no-one would notice apart from the balance of these forums tilting slightly towards sensible on the ' reasonableometer '...
Unfortunately the jet is quoting an urban myth again!
“You can see Dubai’s manmade islands — The Palm and The World — very clearly from space, but you cannot see the Wall of China — it’s a myth,” Colonel Chris Hadfield, the first and only Canadian to ever command a spaceship,
http://www.whataddress.co.uk/postcode/po30-2ef could give a better light on the problems or a freedom of information request could give you a definitive answer in 20 days time.
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Tranona
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Well, you can't turn the clock back and remove all the human activity from the harbour (or anywhere else for that matter). Like most harbours it is like it is because of man's activities - most of the northern shore and several parts of the south and west are man made. If there was no maintenance the north shore and much of the town of Poole would be under water, much of the south would revert to marshland and the centre part which is currently navigable would silt up.
You seem very confused about what maintenance means. "Maintain" - carry on, preserve, support, sustain, keep up, keep supplied, affirm, support by argument, defend (Collins Gem). Which of those do you object to?
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Actually chum, I knew that; tongue in cheek is wasted sometimes...
Anyway there's a bloke in the rather dire early morning nothing else on ' Stargate Atlantis ' who wears a Canadian flag on his space jumpsuit, can't be because it's cheaper to film in Canada, must be down to the huge input Canada makes to the defence and space industries...
Anyway there's a bloke in the rather dire early morning nothing else on ' Stargate Atlantis ' who wears a Canadian flag on his space jumpsuit, can't be because it's cheaper to film in Canada, must be down to the huge input Canada makes to the defence and space industries...
l'escargot
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You can get a good 5 hours on the tide with a 1.5m draught, aim to get there at 2 hours before HW Portsmouth and that will give until 3 hours after. Not great on the wall outside the pub, it's usually full of semi derelict boats, but go no the pontoon or wall opposite and it is only a short walk round.
JumbleDuck
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None at all, when it comes to the artificial features of a harbour. You can carry on, preserve, support, sustain, keep up, keep supplied, affirm, support by argument or defend Poole Town Quay till you're blue in the face as far as I am concerned. I am less convinced that human interference is necessary in every natural harbour. The ones I use on the West Coast seem to cope fine without harbour commissioners charging me a tenner a night for their braid.
l'escargot
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Sorry, I don't believe a word of that about Chichester - first hand and personal experience is of absolutely no worth and you could be lying to cover something up for personal gain. I'd much rather form my opinions on an 11 year old local newspaper article I found on Google, a bit of hearsay remembered from an Internet forum and the view from a bus window when I went there once....
Seajet
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Seeing as I don't go by internet reports - just first hand accounts from people with proper boats so apparently sensible - and going to look around places myself ( what person who liked boats before he could walk wouldn't go to look ? Talk of seeing from bus windows is just another attampt at deviation and insults ) I reckon my info' is pretty up to date; and unlike some I have no axe to grind re property prices - just try googling ' Newport IOW vandal ' ...
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l'escargot
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So when exactly was it you visited Newport and saw all these vandals and druggies, did you come often? And when did these incidents happen that people told you about - I'll look out the newspaper reports, as you can see the local newspaper does report on these issues...and what are these "proper boats" you talk of? I've got a 38 foot Westerly, isn't that a proper boat? Does it make my opinions more valid than say someone with a little 22 foot trailer sailer?Seeing as I don't go by internet reports - just first hand accounts from people with proper boats so apparently sensible - and going to look around places myself ( what person who liked boats before he could walk wouldn't go to look ? Talk of seeing from bus windows is just another attampt at deviation and insults ) I reckon my info' is pretty up to date; and unlike some I have no axe to grind re property prices - just try googling ' Newport IOW vandal ' ...
I do like it when you go off like this when you're caught out, you'll be saying I don't know what seamanship is next and challenging me to a dinghy race! :encouragement:
Property prices, you bought them up and what have they got to do with it anyway? They've gone up considerably in the last 11 years if you're interested, does that actually prove anything though?
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FishyInverness
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Lucky Duck
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So when exactly was it you visited Newport and saw all these vandals and druggies, did you come often? And when did these incidents happen that people told you about - I'll look out the newspaper reports, as you can see the local newspaper does report on these issues...and what are these "proper boats" you talk of? I've got a 38 foot Westerly, isn't that a proper boat? Does it make my opinions more valid than say someone with a little 22 foot trailer sailer?
I do like it when you go off like this when you're caught out, you'll be saying I don't know what seamanship is next and challenging me to a dinghy race! :encouragement:
Property prices, you bought them up and what have they got to do with it anyway? They've gone up considerably in the last 11 years if you're interested, does that actually prove anything though?
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Seajet
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So when exactly was it you visited Newport and saw all these vandals and druggies, did you come often? And when did these incidents happen that people told you about - I'll look out the newspaper reports, as you can see the local newspaper does report on these issues...and what are these "proper boats" you talk of? I've got a 38 foot Westerly, isn't that a proper boat? Does it make my opinions more valid than say someone with a little 22 foot trailer sailer?
I do like it when you go off like this when you're caught out, you'll be saying I don't know what seamanship is next and challenging me to a dinghy race! :encouragement:
Property prices, you bought them up and what have they got to do with it anyway? They've gone up considerably in the last 11 years if you're interested, does that actually prove anything though?
Not ' caught out ' apart from in your dreams, sunshine !
Any intelligent person can judge your comments and mine, with a simple google - or if the other visitors to Newport come on here after their Chistmas jollies - will agree with me.
In the meantime enjoy your stroll around and don't forget to take your AK-47
l'escargot
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Not ' caught out ' apart from in your dreams, sunshine !
Any intelligent person can judge your comments and mine, with a simple google - or if the other visitors to Newport come on here after their Chistmas jollies - will agree with me.
In the meantime enjoy your stroll around and don't forget to take your AK-47
What no challenge or denigrating my seamanship? How disappointing
Actually yes, the intelligent and dare I say the unintelligent can judge our comments - even without Google :encouragement:
Seajet
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l'escargot,
bring it on; with sailing boats...
bring it on; with sailing boats...
l'escargot
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l'escargot,
bring it on; with sailing boats...
There we go! :encouragement::encouragement: