Cheese on toast without a grill

AngusMcDoon said:
I don't care what those nannying over-bearing petty rule obsessed plonkers have to say. Most of their list of dangers apply to ordinary gas systems as well. Why don't they just ban boating and we can all stay in bed and be extra safe?
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Amen to that.

My last boat had an old Camping Gaz stove with the cylinder (904) hanging down from it to provide the gimballing. Turns people's hair white with fear now, but by eliminating all piping, regulator, hoses and all but one connection I believe it was safer than many more modern systems.
 
JumbleDuck said:
My last boat had an old Camping Gaz stove with the cylinder (904) hanging down from it to provide the gimballing. Turns people's hair white with fear now...
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Why? The dislikeable thing about the old mini-stoves was their disinclination to stay upright. Anything gimballed must be light years ahead of those. Not much to go wrong, was there?
 
dancrane said:
I hope you're right Wiggy. Admittedly, this looks like quite a loony-tunes urban-myth scaremongering website ...
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Triple fruitbat. Worrying because one of the chemicals used to make teflon is dangerous is like worrying because the chisels used to make wooden plates could have your eye out.
 
I reckon you're right about that lady having a few bats loose in her belfry. Sounds like a worm-charmer or a tree-whisperer, something like that.

Just the same, old Teflon does flake off - pans lose their non-stick, and the one place it's likely to have gone is into the foods cooked on them.

Such reports aren't only from fruitloop earthy types - they were under government scrutiny 25 years ago - but don't ask me when exactly I heard it. Significantly for this thread (perhaps) was the fact that they reckoned dry-frying made the pan's surface much hotter, in which state the questionable emissions were more noticeable.

I've noticed it's usually cheap lightweight non-stick pans which lose their non-stick surface soonest - even if they're treated with care. Personally I don't fancy that muck in my fry-up.
 
VicS said:
You can take your idiotic and arrogant stance if you like but if the actions of Hants CC trading standards and the BSS identified some potentially dangerous stoves a few years ago and prevented just one more serious injury they are justified.
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I specialize in idiocy and have been a clinically diagnosed plonker for a number of years now. I expect I will be blown to pieces with melted cheese splattered across my mortal remains before long.
 
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Perhaps we're confusing inherently different designs, of similar outward appearance?

Interesting that cheapness in this matter, doesn't seem to be a gauge of safety. My stove was under a tenner brand new, has been used, abused and neglected continuously, left in a damp garage all winter and then expected to perform as new, for four years. It's worked consistently, without any failure or a whiff of unburnt gas.

I wonder what was the fault with the stoves which Hants CC objected to?
 
With some of these stoves, it is possible to use the appliance with the pan support or spill tray the wrong way up.
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Not any more it isn't. You cannot connect the gas with the support upside down as there is an interlock. This feature was introduced on all models over a decade ago - even the cheapy £10 ones.

We are urging boaters not to use these portable cookers in the poorly ventilated, tight confines of a boat.
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Applies to every type of stove burning fuel so not relevant in a warning notice on integral cannister stoves. Applies to the spirit stoves they suggest too. It sounds like they suggesting that nobody ever cooks inside a boat.

While the numbers of boat incidents involving aerosol gas canister stoves are still few
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So if you use them properly and take sensible precautions, you are highly unlikely to be injured. Probably why they don't deem them unacceptable on a boat.

Only use the cooker onshore
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It's statements like this that lose them their credibility.
 
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dancrane said:
Why? The dislikeable thing about the old mini-stoves was their disinclination to stay upright. Anything gimballed must be light years ahead of those. Not much to go wrong, was there?
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I don't think so, and I was happy to use it until I sold the boat, but people get very very scared by gas now, and tend to compensate by making systems very complicated. This is not a good idea, I think, as it increases the number of possible points of failure.

See also: sea cocks in cockpit drains. Why? If the boat's in the water you want the cockpit to drain and if it isn't in the water it can't sink. All sea cocks do is double the number of hose connections and add a sea cock or two to fail.
 
VicS said:
The original safety alert published by Hants CC TS and the BSS can be found at http://awcc.org.uk/wp-content/uploa...able-gas-stoves-safety-alert-apr-09-final.pdf
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Thanks for the link, Vic. That's certainly my kind of stove, and in the unfamiliarity of a dark campsite early one year, we did try using it with the pan-support the wrong way up...

I'm shocked that doing so can cause the cylinder to explode...but having acknowledged that it's important to use the thing correctly, I don't believe I'd be discouraged from taking it on the boat, or anywhere else...if I was, wouldn't that suggest I hadn't yet understood the safe procedure?

All kinds of equipment on board might cause horrid injury if misused - the answer must be to learn the safe way, not to regard each potential hazard as an accident in waiting.
 
dancrane said:
Just the same, old Teflon does flake off - pans lose their non-stick, and the one place it's likely to have gone is into the foods cooked on them.
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This is true, but it doesn't bother me because the PTFE is pretty damn unreactive stuff. That's the point of it, really. Unless your gastrointestinal tract reaches a high enough temperature to decompose it (250C+), in which case you have other and perhaps more pressing problems, it'll come out the other end in due course. May help lubricate your sea toilet pump, if you're lucky.
 
JumbleDuck said:
...in which case you have other and perhaps more pressing problems...
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I have to admit, reading through that post of mine in respect of Teflon, I said judgementally, "I don't want that muck in my fry-up"...

...but I wonder how many fried-food coronaries one would suffer, before ever encountering symptoms related to a few micrograms of Teflon passing through the system... :o :rolleyes: :)
 
dancrane said:
I have to admit, reading through that post of mine in respect of Teflon, I said judgementally, "I don't want that muck in my fry-up"...

...but I wonder how many fried-food coronaries one would suffer, before ever encountering symptoms related to a few micrograms of Teflon passing through the system... :o :rolleyes: :)
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Nothing that a few sessions of naturopathy from the triple fruitbat at £55 per hour wouldn't sort out!
 
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Yeah, credit to the chef who started this. Was it yourself? The welsh rarebit never looked so fine...though, a bit too rare, perhaps...a moment under the blow-torch might perfect it.
 
Back to the toasty. Have you tried two pieces of bread, buttered on the outside, cheese and whatever on the inside of the sandwiched bread. Fry in a frypan (non-stick preferred). By the time both sides are golden brown the inside cheese is meted perfectly. No grilled required! Andrew
 
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