Chartplotters - another enthusiastic convert . . .

Danny Jo

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. . . who occasionally, just occasionally, wonders if it wasn't more fun the old way.

Freestyle finally bit the bullet and had a chartplotter installed this year. The intention was to use it primarily to display AIS data, and for navigation purposes only as a backup to conventional navigation on paper charts.

Experience with displays over the chart table of radar (on an ancient CRT screen) and a stand-alone AIS display convinced me that the proper place for the chartplotter was in the cockpit. For that purpose it has proved outstandingly successful, although I regret not following the advice of another forumite, which was to instal a separate switch to the AIS engine so as to shut off the incessant stream of "Dangerous target" alarms that occurs in harbour. (Since corrected while storm-bound in Burtonport.)

But my resolve to carry on with paper charts and GPS position data as my primary navigational tool did not last long. The crew started the rot. At the time of Freestyle's Hebridean cruise in June, I had not completed all the winter refit tasks, and so as to concentrate on them I delegated the navigation and passage planning to a much more experienced sailor (ex ocean racer, Winston Churchill watch leader, etc). He and his techno-savvy assistant (rescue helicopter pilot) took to the chartplotter like ducks to water, and before long the memory chip was stuffed with routes to and from all the nicest anchorages. Even so, we had a rule that critical waypoints had to be entered numerically as latitude and longitude read off the paper chart.

Not having the benefit of such an experienced crew for Freestyle's return via the West coast of Ireland, I found myself cutting corners, using the cursor to enter waypoints and setting routes entirely on the chartplotter. Others, I am sure, will point out the many snares and pitfalls of this approach awaiting the unwary, but those aside, what surprised me was how easy it was. I found myself undertaking passages using the chartplotter that I would not have attempted using paper charts without (a) more crew and (b) considerably more preparation. The inner passage at Malin Head and the South Sound of Aran are two examples.

I guess that I have set myself up to be charged with irresponsibility for placing so much reliance on a collection of silicon chips. But what concerns me more is a niggling sense of loss: some of the fun, perhaps even the sense of achievement, of navigating in the old way has gone, and there is no going back.
 
Welcome to the BRIGHT side :)

you wait - soon you'll have 2 chart plotters on deck - one for the helm and the other for the crew .... not forgetting a repeated position at the chart table just incase you get a pang of guilt and want to write up the log ...

I always regarded the CP as a toy ... until I took the boat to Cherbourg from the Solent ... bashing into a F6 headwind .... 18 hours later (14 being sick), under the cover of darkness I approached Cherbourg East entrance for the very first time (came in the west entrance previously) .... yes, I could've dived down below, dug out the almanac and guessed where I was, but it was far easier to just watch the boat position on the CP as the crew stood lookout and reddied the warps for a much needed berth!
 
A nice resume of the change to chart plotter.

I think I have the same view at the monent that you had before the chart plotter's arrival. On Holiday in North Brittany this year, we did quite a lot of rock hopping - the Isle de batze passage, Tregestel - a rocky hole, and Ploumanc'h. A lot of effort went into the nav on these as the coast looks very frightening - that is until you have done it.

Over the weekend we sailed a boat with a chartplotter - and SWMBO - who is not very well up in these matters, despite opassing her shore based yachtmasters some time back, thinks they are the best thing since sliced bread. It looks like I am going to come under severe pressure now to modernise my traditional thinking.

To be honest, my retisence has been more about - "what else will £2000 buy that might be more useful/essential." and "Do I need to spend it" and the ultimate excuse "It will use cartloads more amps"

However - inwardly I fully admit that the 1 hour of planning for each bit would have been 5 minutes on the plotter. So I think the case is prooven, but will I get my wallet out this winter???......................
 
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We've just got a Garmin touch screen chartplotter, and the rot is well and truly under way. I can point to where I want to go and the chart plotter will tell me how to get there :D

Bit rough? don't fancy doing a plot? The navtex will print it out the position, SOG, COG, Depth and I can see where we are on the screen, no need to go down below

Just how far is tide taking us?...Oh I can see it in front of me

Will we make the breakwater in this tack? not yet big give it a b...we will now

And that's all before you start adding Radar or AIS.

We used to do the log, and the plot religiously on the hour. Now......not as much as we should.

My partner and I still sit down together and plot the course the night before taking into account the tide, and write down waypoints, I plug them into the chartplotter that night, the next morning we are ready to go.

When there are only two of you, and one person needs to sort something out, the one on the helm can see they are in safe water, and that is worth more than we paid for the plotter in piece of mind alone.
 
After years of crewing for other people I'm in the process of getting my first boat. I've had a lot of expensive purchases already. A complete replacement heads for example a quid from the pound shop and I still need a bit of rope for it. The cost of some of these plotters is more than my craft and with just a little solar panel and a charging coil on a little outboard I couldn't afford to be reliant on one so I think I will be sticking to my trusty etrex for my east coast wanderings. I have a yeoman on loan but not really anywhere safe to store it onboard where it won't get knackered. They are nice gizmo's to have though. Maybe another year or if I frighten myself too badly....
 
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I have Tsunamis99 on a laptop. The value of having a moving blob on the chart makes tricky passages (like the Swellies North Passage) a doddle even when single handed. I have sailed the area for 25 years & never dared stray from the basic Southern Passage until the plotter gave me the confidence to play amongst the rocks. It is very reassuring to have your visual perception of location confirmed by an independant electronic gismo.
 
We used to do the log, and the plot religiously on the hour. Now......not as much as we should.
I only maintain the log book these days when sailing away from home waters just in case the men in black, French or British, arrive in their RIB. Also the log entries are now oriented towards New Labour's war on terrorism i.e. I log changes to the crew list with passport numbers when the swmbo flys in or out, I mention events that can be tied to electronic transactions such as filling up at a self service French fuel pontoon and I also log rest days or car hire excursions.
 
and write down waypoints, I plug them into the chartplotter that night, the next morning we are ready to go.
Waypoints! You are oh so 20th century, get with it man.

All you have to do is head out of harbour and when the floaty red and green things finish you turn the wheel until the long black "this is where you are going line" on the little TV screen at the wheel, cuts through the name of the port where you want to go. Then press the red auto button so the steering wheel starts moving on its own, now you are free to work out why the little TV is missing the channel for Big Brother.
 
. . . who occasionally, just occasionally, wonders if it wasn't more fun the old way.

Freestyle finally bit the bullet and had a chartplotter installed this year. The intention was to use it primarily to display AIS data, and for navigation purposes only as a backup to conventional navigation on paper charts.

Experience with displays over the chart table of radar (on an ancient CRT screen) and a stand-alone AIS display convinced me that the proper place for the chartplotter was in the cockpit. For that purpose it has proved outstandingly successful, although I regret not following the advice of another forumite, which was to instal a separate switch to the AIS engine so as to shut off the incessant stream of "Dangerous target" alarms that occurs in harbour. (Since corrected while storm-bound in Burtonport.)

But my resolve to carry on with paper charts and GPS position data as my primary navigational tool did not last long. The crew started the rot. At the time of Freestyle's Hebridean cruise in June, I had not completed all the winter refit tasks, and so as to concentrate on them I delegated the navigation and passage planning to a much more experienced sailor (ex ocean racer, Winston Churchill watch leader, etc). He and his techno-savvy assistant (rescue helicopter pilot) took to the chartplotter like ducks to water, and before long the memory chip was stuffed with routes to and from all the nicest anchorages. Even so, we had a rule that critical waypoints had to be entered numerically as latitude and longitude read off the paper chart.

Not having the benefit of such an experienced crew for Freestyle's return via the West coast of Ireland, I found myself cutting corners, using the cursor to enter waypoints and setting routes entirely on the chartplotter. Others, I am sure, will point out the many snares and pitfalls of this approach awaiting the unwary, but those aside, what surprised me was how easy it was. I found myself undertaking passages using the chartplotter that I would not have attempted using paper charts without (a) more crew and (b) considerably more preparation. The inner passage at Malin Head and the South Sound of Aran are two examples.

I guess that I have set myself up to be charged with irresponsibility for placing so much reliance on a collection of silicon chips. But what concerns me more is a niggling sense of loss: some of the fun, perhaps even the sense of achievement, of navigating in the old way has gone, and there is no going back.
As they rely upon the GPS I can foresee huge queues at the sailing schools/adult education centres in the future when the satellites begin to pack up and the USA cannot afford to replace them which is forecast to happen within the next 10 years or so. Don't throw your paper charts away yet, and keep them up to date.
 
As they rely upon the GPS I can foresee huge queues at the sailing schools/adult education centres in the future when the satellites begin to pack up and the USA cannot afford to replace them which is forecast to happen within the next 10 years or so. Don't throw your paper charts away yet, and keep them up to date.

But the USA won't allow it's GPS network to fail (and in any case the European and Chinese systems will both be providing alternatives by then - maybe the Russian system will be working reliably too). And I don't think this is a "flying pigs" scenario, by the way - I genuinely do believe that this is the future as it will be in 5 years time. I'm pretty sure there are other opinions though
 
Doghouse,

Reports are that the USAF is already way behind on the spending, that redundancy is fast running out on existing satellites and the 95+% coverage we enjoy now will be down to 70 - 80 % next year. It is too late, the Americans have already let the standard drop. It just depends where the 20 -30% is. Hopefully it will mean we are watching 4 satellites rather than 6 or 7, but maybe we will only see 2.....

As the (rather too kindly put) techno savvy assistant in the original post, I have to say I was very impressed with Freestyle's new CP. I think we come to trust the paper and so are initially sceptical over the accuracy of the new fangled stuff. Of course you soon realise the opposite is true. I still get great pleasure pouring (pawing?) over paper charts and by habit will plot on paper first (I find it easier with a full size chart than with a 10in screen). But CPs are a wonderful tool for reducing work load and thereby expanding the abilities of a crew, especially one that is short handed.

CP's are the way forward, but one thing must be sorted - the user interface. It is something that many of the GPS systems I have used (aviation, marine, car and handheld) suffer from. I suppose screen size is king, leaving little room for buttons but using a rotary knob and/or up/down/forward/back buttons to input waypoint/route names, lats, longs etc, seems rather 20th C on a 21st C box. An alpha numeric keypad with a small screen positioned remotely (eg over the chart table) would be a simple solution.
 
It can't be beyond the wit of man to make a Bluetooth remote control at a reasonable cost. Could be very useful if also NMEA linked to an autopilot/ speed control.

Imagine having that level of control at the bow as you approach a pick-up buoy - or amidships as you step onto the pontoon/ quay ladder with fore & aft warps in your other hand.

How about it Raymarine et al?
 
CP's are the way forward, but one thing must be sorted - the user interface [...] using a rotary knob and/or up/down/forward/back buttons to input waypoint/route names, lats, longs etc, seems rather 20th C on a 21st C box.
True... but the Yeoman has been around for years, allowing direct input of lat and long from the paper chart.... and as I understand it, virtually all chartplotters accept waypoint input via NMEA, so your passageplanning can always been done from a netbook or laptop (preferably with software like PCPlotter, making use of all the tidal flow data).
 
I bought a second hand one last year, after I found myself about to head across Foulness Sands on the ebb, having mis-identified a mark. I decided that, as I sail single handed most of the time, I could justify the £200 it cost. I got the aerial sorted a month ago then got the power wired in the other day. Guess what? No signal. I'll manage without for a bit longer, as I have for thirty odd years. And the log and windy have packed up. Non-essentials, anyway.

I just cannot be bothered with all this electronic gadgetry. More expense and worry than it's worth.
 
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