liverpoold
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Anyone got any tips on wether a Honda 2.3 or a suzuki 2.5 are better?
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Anyone got any tips on wether a Honda 2.3 or a suzuki 2.5 are better?
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Charter 2.9m airdeck dinghy and 2.3hp honda 4 stroke
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purplerobbie
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Do you think the 2.7m would be big enough?
(abit lighter!)
Or do you know of any other good reliable, cheap packages?
I am fed up of old inflatables that are too small, too slow and unstable in any waves! And outboards that die and I have no idea how to fix them!
Thanks
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I have a honda 6hp and a honda air v deck 2.7 dinghy they where bought new about 4 months ago and have been used for less than an hour and together they weigh 11 1/2 stone!! one is 37.5 kg and the other is 35kg.
I'm selling them because they are to big and heavy
I liverpool too and if you would like to try them for weight your more than welcome. Pm me Rob
Do you think the 2.7m would be big enough?
(abit lighter!)
Or do you know of any other good reliable, cheap packages?
I am fed up of old inflatables that are too small, too slow and unstable in any waves! And outboards that die and I have no idea how to fix them!
Thanks
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I have a honda 6hp and a honda air v deck 2.7 dinghy they where bought new about 4 months ago and have been used for less than an hour and together they weigh 11 1/2 stone!! one is 37.5 kg and the other is 35kg.
I'm selling them because they are to big and heavy
I liverpool too and if you would like to try them for weight your more than welcome. Pm me Rob
reeac
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If you are looking at the mailspeedmarine package then a quick check of the weights shows; dinghy 43kg, engine 12.7kg, dinghy is probably boderline to carry yourself but don't forget the size and shape of the dinghy when packed makes it a pig to carry or lift from the car: 115 x 66 x 30cm when packed, and half as big again when you repack it /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
Get yourself an electric pump to inflate it as you will take an age to foot/hand pump a dinghy that size.
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If you want to pack up and carry the inflatable on board your boat then both weight and deflated size will be important especially if you want to store it in a particular locker. The Bombard range are very good in this respect - the 2.4 m. AX2 weighs 18 Kg. and folds down to 75x45x28 cm. as compared with the Compass 2.3m. for example which is 28Kg., and 100x50x30 cm.. In the case of our boat that means that the Bombard fits the under cockpit storage space but the Compass and most others don't.
If you are looking at the mailspeedmarine package then a quick check of the weights shows; dinghy 43kg, engine 12.7kg, dinghy is probably boderline to carry yourself but don't forget the size and shape of the dinghy when packed makes it a pig to carry or lift from the car: 115 x 66 x 30cm when packed, and half as big again when you repack it /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
Get yourself an electric pump to inflate it as you will take an age to foot/hand pump a dinghy that size.
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If you want to pack up and carry the inflatable on board your boat then both weight and deflated size will be important especially if you want to store it in a particular locker. The Bombard range are very good in this respect - the 2.4 m. AX2 weighs 18 Kg. and folds down to 75x45x28 cm. as compared with the Compass 2.3m. for example which is 28Kg., and 100x50x30 cm.. In the case of our boat that means that the Bombard fits the under cockpit storage space but the Compass and most others don't.
whisper
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Always used to be like that but not necessarily so any more.
eg. Honda 2.3 = 12.7kg
Mariner/ Mercury 2 stroke 2.5 = 13kg
Mariner/ Mercury 4 stroke 3.5 = 17kg
Mariner/ Mercury 2 stroke 4 = 20 kg
Mind you, I'm not totally convinced that any of these weights are realistic.
You also find that comparisons will vary due to the block size that each manufacturer uses to produce a given range of power outputs.
i.e One mfr. will produce 4/5/6hp engines from a given block whereby someone else's 6hp will be the same block as their 8hp , thereby making their 6 look heavy.
Oh dear I'm making myself yawn now /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
P.S. I've just ordered a Mariner 3.5 4 stroke which is a rebadged Tohatsu. Not received it yet but I've also kept my 2.3 Honda so it will be interesting to see which I like best.
eg. Honda 2.3 = 12.7kg
Mariner/ Mercury 2 stroke 2.5 = 13kg
Mariner/ Mercury 4 stroke 3.5 = 17kg
Mariner/ Mercury 2 stroke 4 = 20 kg
Mind you, I'm not totally convinced that any of these weights are realistic.
You also find that comparisons will vary due to the block size that each manufacturer uses to produce a given range of power outputs.
i.e One mfr. will produce 4/5/6hp engines from a given block whereby someone else's 6hp will be the same block as their 8hp , thereby making their 6 look heavy.
Oh dear I'm making myself yawn now /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
P.S. I've just ordered a Mariner 3.5 4 stroke which is a rebadged Tohatsu. Not received it yet but I've also kept my 2.3 Honda so it will be interesting to see which I like best.
Phoenix of Hamble
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I know loads of people have already cautioned about the weight size combination, but to add to it anyway...
I'm a reasonably fit sub 40 male, and I have a tender of similar weights to the one you referred to.... I really wouldn't want to carry it any great distance... the combination of weight and size make it very hard work.... inflated, yes the wheels would make life a great deal easier, but you'll also need to lug it around packed away occasionally too.... my wife would really really struggle to move ours, let alone get it onto the deck, which I am reasonably confident in saying she wouldn't be able to do at all... and I find it tough to pull up the beach when taking it ashore...
So be careful!
I'm a reasonably fit sub 40 male, and I have a tender of similar weights to the one you referred to.... I really wouldn't want to carry it any great distance... the combination of weight and size make it very hard work.... inflated, yes the wheels would make life a great deal easier, but you'll also need to lug it around packed away occasionally too.... my wife would really really struggle to move ours, let alone get it onto the deck, which I am reasonably confident in saying she wouldn't be able to do at all... and I find it tough to pull up the beach when taking it ashore...
So be careful!
Honey
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I have the mailspeed 270 with air deck and have found it to be very stable and fast enough with a 4hp two stroke, but (and it's a big but) it's heavy!
When I bought it, they brought it out to my car on a sack barrow and it took two of us to lift it in to the car! In order to get it out of the locker I now keep the floor and seat seperate to reduce the weight. A great tender if you can handle the weight.
When I bought it, they brought it out to my car on a sack barrow and it took two of us to lift it in to the car! In order to get it out of the locker I now keep the floor and seat seperate to reduce the weight. A great tender if you can handle the weight.
DinghyMan
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I think the size depends on who goes in it rather more than anything else. We have a 2.6m slatted floor Seago and my other half is not at all happy being in it and thats on Windermere. I wish I'd spent more on a larger airdeck one but didn't know just how nervous t'other half would be until she tried it.
If I just fold and roll it up then mine won't fit in the boot (Jag X-Type) and lives on the back seat so no room for the dog. I've just bought an electric inflator/deflator as it massively reduces the packed size, up to now I've been unrolling it in the garage when we get back and then vacuuming the rest of the air out to reduce the packed size.
I got a Mariner 3.3hp and its more than big enough - although the throttle is on the engine rather than on the handle so no twist grip throttle, also the handle is too short to let you sit on the seat and steer so I have got a bit wet a couple of times, a handle modification using a tiller extension and a bicycle brake assembly is currently underway to extend the handle and put a throttle onto the handle.
Where I launch from there are a couple of inflatables left just tied to the trees without locks so must assume that they are not nicked too often, although an outboard was pinched from a yacht on the hard a few weeks ago.
If I just fold and roll it up then mine won't fit in the boot (Jag X-Type) and lives on the back seat so no room for the dog. I've just bought an electric inflator/deflator as it massively reduces the packed size, up to now I've been unrolling it in the garage when we get back and then vacuuming the rest of the air out to reduce the packed size.
I got a Mariner 3.3hp and its more than big enough - although the throttle is on the engine rather than on the handle so no twist grip throttle, also the handle is too short to let you sit on the seat and steer so I have got a bit wet a couple of times, a handle modification using a tiller extension and a bicycle brake assembly is currently underway to extend the handle and put a throttle onto the handle.
Where I launch from there are a couple of inflatables left just tied to the trees without locks so must assume that they are not nicked too often, although an outboard was pinched from a yacht on the hard a few weeks ago.
Barr Avel
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I think you are going to have to choose between weight and ability to transport people.
Personally I bought a Hondawave which was fantastic but which I had to send back. Moving it around my boat was just too much work on my back (and I am man & in my twenties!). I guess on a cat that mights not be too bad... Do you have davits?
I exchanged it for a plastimo 240L which weighs only 20Kg. It is light enough not to give me back ache. ( Plastimo Catalogue )
Sure it might not last more than 5 years, but I don't care if it means that my back does.
No doubt the members of the 'spend all you've got' brigade will recommend more expensive brands... up to you!
As for the engive, I would really recommend trying to pick up a recent two stroke Mariner/Mercury/Tohatsu 3.3/3.5 hp, or a new one if you can still get them (like here )
Marc.
Personally I bought a Hondawave which was fantastic but which I had to send back. Moving it around my boat was just too much work on my back (and I am man & in my twenties!). I guess on a cat that mights not be too bad... Do you have davits?
I exchanged it for a plastimo 240L which weighs only 20Kg. It is light enough not to give me back ache. ( Plastimo Catalogue )
Sure it might not last more than 5 years, but I don't care if it means that my back does.
No doubt the members of the 'spend all you've got' brigade will recommend more expensive brands... up to you!
As for the engive, I would really recommend trying to pick up a recent two stroke Mariner/Mercury/Tohatsu 3.3/3.5 hp, or a new one if you can still get them (like here )
Marc.
ShipsWoofy
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You have some good advice here, let us also talk a little about your location..
If you intend to launch at the club you have to carry the bag down to the dinghy pontoon, through the new gate and down the ramp. Then pump it up there, you can of course carry it full, but that really takes two people. wheels will not help if you intend to launch under the sailing club.
If you launch from the slip you can back the car down and set up by the car, the slip is not too busy even in summer. But, at low water you will have to drag the dinghy through the mud a fair way to get afloat, even from the pontoon you will need to walk the dinghy on some tides. Though things have probably changed a lot with the new pontoons.
For this reason I would advise the smallest you can get away with, we have I think a 2.4m it may be 2.7. I am happy with 3 adults with limited gear or two adults and lots of gear and a dog..
You have to get used to making trips, how far down the river are you?
Another option, you can store the dinghy in the shed at chandlers and use the hoist to launch retrieve it, this has the advantage of leaving it inflated and leaving the engine (there is a good security). Though, again at low water this can mean a little walk, but it is half way down the Glasslyn and probably closer to your mooring. Easier to park the car, we often used to launch from Robin yard, but that was before we bought an outboard, that makes life difficult on a 10M wall.
We use a 2hp 2 stroke and would not go to 4 even under the new regs, 4 strokes are to annoying to stow and throw about. we often have the engine pointing downhill when dropping from boat to tender, only because we do not have to worry about it, it just makes life easier.
Might I also suggest buying a 2nd hand engine. Rob at Harbour Marine in Pwllheli often has some small outboards for sale that he has fully reconditioned. I specifically bought the tattiest looking one from him, it was perfect mechanically, but the plastic covers were scratched, stickers falling away, you get the picture.
I rarely worry about leaving the motor on the dinghy when we go ashore, I have a padlock on it, but while people leave brand new o/b's on their dinghies I feel ours will not go walk about. There are often reports from around porthmadog about engines leaving without the owners consent.
If you think you will be going back and forth to shore a lot, it may be worth looking for a 2nd hand hard dinghy to leave in the compound at the slipway. These are far nicer and keep your gear / food dry on trips when it is choppy. Also generally bigger and carry people more comfortably. Easier to row as well. The outboard you buy for the rubber duck will also happily power a small grp tender.
Also, please wear life-jackets in the tender, I fished a man out of the river there whose dinghy sank under him, he had a jacket on, but in the current could not make it to shore. He was lucky we happened to be in the yard opposite him to hear his calls and we had a dinghy in the water. Sorry about the nag.
hope this helps.
If you intend to launch at the club you have to carry the bag down to the dinghy pontoon, through the new gate and down the ramp. Then pump it up there, you can of course carry it full, but that really takes two people. wheels will not help if you intend to launch under the sailing club.
If you launch from the slip you can back the car down and set up by the car, the slip is not too busy even in summer. But, at low water you will have to drag the dinghy through the mud a fair way to get afloat, even from the pontoon you will need to walk the dinghy on some tides. Though things have probably changed a lot with the new pontoons.
For this reason I would advise the smallest you can get away with, we have I think a 2.4m it may be 2.7. I am happy with 3 adults with limited gear or two adults and lots of gear and a dog..
You have to get used to making trips, how far down the river are you?
Another option, you can store the dinghy in the shed at chandlers and use the hoist to launch retrieve it, this has the advantage of leaving it inflated and leaving the engine (there is a good security). Though, again at low water this can mean a little walk, but it is half way down the Glasslyn and probably closer to your mooring. Easier to park the car, we often used to launch from Robin yard, but that was before we bought an outboard, that makes life difficult on a 10M wall.
We use a 2hp 2 stroke and would not go to 4 even under the new regs, 4 strokes are to annoying to stow and throw about. we often have the engine pointing downhill when dropping from boat to tender, only because we do not have to worry about it, it just makes life easier.
Might I also suggest buying a 2nd hand engine. Rob at Harbour Marine in Pwllheli often has some small outboards for sale that he has fully reconditioned. I specifically bought the tattiest looking one from him, it was perfect mechanically, but the plastic covers were scratched, stickers falling away, you get the picture.
I rarely worry about leaving the motor on the dinghy when we go ashore, I have a padlock on it, but while people leave brand new o/b's on their dinghies I feel ours will not go walk about. There are often reports from around porthmadog about engines leaving without the owners consent.
If you think you will be going back and forth to shore a lot, it may be worth looking for a 2nd hand hard dinghy to leave in the compound at the slipway. These are far nicer and keep your gear / food dry on trips when it is choppy. Also generally bigger and carry people more comfortably. Easier to row as well. The outboard you buy for the rubber duck will also happily power a small grp tender.
Also, please wear life-jackets in the tender, I fished a man out of the river there whose dinghy sank under him, he had a jacket on, but in the current could not make it to shore. He was lucky we happened to be in the yard opposite him to hear his calls and we had a dinghy in the water. Sorry about the nag.
hope this helps.
steve_cronin
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Dinghy Dollies...
.. fold up within the height of the transom so roll-up is only slightly affected.
Steve Cronin
.. fold up within the height of the transom so roll-up is only slightly affected.
Steve Cronin
RMA
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I used to have the Honda 2 hp with the centrifugal clutch, which seemed a good idea before I bought it but suffers from the disadvantage that as soon as you close the throttle you lose steering. I now have the small four stroke Suzuki 2.5 which retains the ability to steer even at tickover. I think the Suzuki is quieter. It is perfectly adequate for my Quicksilver 270.