Chart Plotter Choices

A lot of what you can do with a plotter can also be done with a Yeoman, like entering waypoints directly to a compatible GPS, however on the plotter it is very easy to put waypoints in (and zoom to the biggest chart to check their position if ultimate precision is needed) and also easy to create routes. If necessary complicated but useful routes such as to take you onto your home harbour, or say through Chenal Du Four or the likes in bad visibility can be created easily, then checked by running the route in good conditions. Most plotters can be set to leave a groundtrack on screen, so if you go back along this on the plotter screen you can tweak waypoint positions if necessary to fit exactly the reality of the course you took.

We have such pre-programmed and tested routes for example for Poole fairway to our home base, for L'Aberwrac'h entry, Chenal Du Four, little Russell etc and have been glad of all at various times in fog. Indeed last year we went into L'Aberwrac'h (where there are really strong cross tides setting actross the entry and wicked reefs either side) in 25m visibilty using a combination of plotter and radar and staying exactly on the ground track. Our plotter/GPS is linked to the radar and puts a lollipop on the screen to show where the next waypoint is, so we could see the echo on the radar close by it that was the next buoy to pass. The visual and continuous flashing little boat of the screen tracking straight down the required entry line (albeit with the boat POINTING 30 degs right to offset the crosstide) is very reassuring! You CAN do it with Yeoman but it would need a bigger chart than the likely one in use and for it to be referenced ready to use - plus some nifty plotting on it to boot.

None of this is of course essential and thanfully I learned to navigate 'properly' way back in the good old(???) days pre-Decca/GPS and when a Seafix RDF was the bees knees. However it does make for more relaxed and stress free sailing. I still look at charts and still use tidal atlases and manually calculate CTS etc, our plotter doesn't do that function although I do have a laptop set up that does do that if needed and which is very good at looking at multiple what-ifs, like different speeds or departure times and so on.

I do find it worrying however that some people use modern plotters/GPS without fully understanding the basics. The classic case in point is in staying absolutely on track when crossing the Channel and therefore continually altering course to stem the changing tides, rather than (if it is safe, no rocks in the way) allowing the boat to be taken offtrack by the tides and simply offsetting the differences overall. I know one airline pilot who does this and who is convinced it is the best way!

Robin
 
Thanks very much one and all. You have collectively raised some very good points. In particular, I hadn't appreciated that Garmin had done the dirty on it's existing customers once before - I suspect that will be enough to remove them from my "must see" list. I appreciate the idea of a Yeoman plotter, but unless I'm missing something, I agree with Robin that it's just a quicker way of doing what I do already. My thinking at the moment is to go for a "stand alone" GPS which can be left powered up (for DSC and continuous position/range/bearing info) feeding into a chart plotter that can be switched on for pilotage. At the moment I have no plans to replace my existing radar, but it would make sense to fit a plotter which will accept radar input from a new scanner when my present system finally breathes its last. Apart from presentational differences, what are the practical effects of the different ways in which chart software is constructed - or have they standardised now? I've heard the terms (e.g. Vector charts) but don't profess to understand them. I'm sure one of the mags explained it some time ago, but I haven't been able to find the article.

Thanks to all - your thoughts are greatly appreciated.
 
Today I have just fitted a GEONAV 4C XS hand held plotter, running nav: gold. But the best bit,,,,, It is wired to a 12 inch LCD tv,, £750. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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>Garmin changed their format and left existing plotter owners up a creek without >a paddle in that they no longer sell cartridges for them, in my view that is a PR ?>no-no and Garmin are off my look at list for everything or anything as a result.
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Agree it was a PR disaster, but Garmin fell out with Navionics, in exactly the same way that Raymarine fell out with C-Map. Does that mean that nobody should ever buy Raymarine kit either ?

Things move forwards, and companies can't force chart suppliers to supply charts. That's why Garmin took it in-house (proprietary), to come up with BlueCharts, so this wouldn't happen again.

Don't imagine that Navionics would never do the same thing to Raymarine: it could happen.

Most charts nowadays are "vector" (lines/coordinates/area/objects) as opposed to "raster" which is like chucking an admiralty chart on the photocopier and adding stuff. Vector is much more flexible, uses less space, etc. although doesn't look quite as paper-chart-like for obvious reasons.

Example of how the entrance to Poole Harbour looks on a Bluechart...

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Agree it was a PR disaster, but Garmin fell out with Navionics, in exactly the same way that Raymarine fell out with C-Map. Does that mean that nobody should ever buy Raymarine kit either ?

Things move forwards, and companies can't force chart suppliers to supply charts. That's why Garmin took it in-house (proprietary), to come up with BlueCharts, so this wouldn't happen again.

Don't imagine that Navionics would never do the same thing to Raymarine: it could happen.

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The situation isn't anything like the same. Garmin had a cartridge system that would ONLY fit Garmin, even though it was made by Navionics. When Garmin changed system you could no longer buy cartridges from Garmin and their new ones will not work, nor could you buy from Navionics.

C-Map are C-Map and unlike the Garmin (or Furuno) specific cartridges these will work in any plotter designed to run C-Map. Raymarine may have moved over to Navionics for their new plotters but all their older plotters (and I still have one) can still use C-Map cartridges just as before because C-Map are maintaining them and updating and issuing new versions. The difference is that these are C-Map standard cartridges not modified in anyway to suit one manufacturer as was the Garmin one, as I said before, the same cartridges will run in ANY make of plotter designed to run C-Map. Indeed I run old and new cartridges on both Raymarine and Navman plotters.

Vector charts have the advantage too that they are built up in layers and there are options to leave out layers to reduce clutter when that detail isn't needed. For example you could chose not to display light sectors during daylight hours or to ignore all depth contours greater than say 10m, or not show 'land' features.

Sorry if my comments upset Garmin users, but I feel very strongly that Garmin did not handle the situation very well. There are a lot of very disgruntled Garmin users out there as a result and it should be a wakeup call to anyone considering buying a new plotter IMO, buy one where continuity is going to last!

Robin
 
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Today I have just fitted a GEONAV 4C XS hand held plotter, running nav: gold. But the best bit,,,,, It is wired to a 12 inch LCD tv,, £750

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OK on a sheltered mobo and with engine running to power it. I would guess that 12" LCD screen uses 3amps or more or 72AH plus in a 24hr period, against say 12AH for a dedicated plotter like Navman 5600, albeit with a smaller screen but also waterproof.
 
Mybe a bit of a derail, but what do you plotter fiends do whilst the plotter is doing the chartwork, and the autohelm steering the boat?

Serious question. I find long term helming to be boring so use the autohelm. Doing the nav / logkeeping on paper is something to keep me occupied.
 
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