changing from sail to steam advice

From your requirement list the Corvette 32 / 320 ticks every box - good displacement comfort and economy with the ability to get a shift on to ~ 15 knots if necessary, still at respectable consumption. Good wide side decks. Easy to moor. Decent outdoor space, especially the aft 'Poop' deck.

Inside there is a decent size bed with en suite, plus second heads forward.

Owners association link below.
 
Paw Paw said:
Yes but my time scale is nearer 1-2 years and your confidence is not shared by the Dutch Government to name but one... And I will possibly remain a Spanish Citizen for some time.

Not sure what dealings you have had with the French Douane but let me assure you that anybody with a UK boat living for more than 183 days in France - a resident will like our US cousins be required to pay TVR on that boat.... That is the perceived wisdom from my friends in Brussels but of course nobody actually knows.
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Not sure what your point is, nor what the Dutch government has to do with it. I am well aware of the current rules for keeping a boat in France - and it is nothing particularly new, nor connected with Brexit. It does not involve paying TVA on an existing EU boat, only the annual tax.

Nothing is going to change in the next 2+ years and you will be able to purchase a boat in the UK and move it to France without paying any tax at all unless you are resident there so you will pay the annual tax. You can register it in France if you qualify.

Nobody knows what will happen after the UK leaves the EU,but is highly unlikely to result in existing EU VAT paid (in the UK) losing any status in the remaining EU. of course there will be rumours put around about draconian consequences after Brexit - this is just part of the new Project Fear, but as we have seen so far none of these types of rumours actually turn into fact. of course if you were buying a new boat you would pay VAT in France if that is where it will be used.

So, none of your plans will be affected if as you say you buy in the next 1-2 years. The only precaution that would be wise is to ensure that your boat is established in the EU state of your choice as soon as you buy it.
 
Aquastar 33 or 38 (available in single or twin.
Big walk around, plenty of room, semi displacement, economical, low air draft, so suitable for canals an rivers as well as sea.
We have a 25 year old, single engine, 33 which we have lived on the last 5 years,
We’ve just returned from a long distance 4 year liveaboard trip.
The Seine via Paris, through the French canals to Port stLouis in the Med,
All French med coast, all Spain med coast, Gibraltar, Morocco, Italy, Monaco
Through the Canal du Midi to Bordeaux, Back up French Atlantic coast to Jersey.
 
blampied said:
Aquastar 33 or 38 (available in single or twin.
Big walk around, plenty of room, semi displacement, economical, low air draft, so suitable for canals an rivers as well as sea.
We have a 25 year old, single engine, 33 which we have lived on the last 5 years,
We’ve just returned from a long distance 4 year liveaboard trip.
The Seine via Paris, through the French canals to Port stLouis in the Med,
All French med coast, all Spain med coast, Gibraltar, Morocco, Italy, Monaco
Through the Canal du Midi to Bordeaux, Back up French Atlantic coast to Jersey.
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That is incredible! A real adventure
 
Tranona said:
Not sure what your point is, nor what the Dutch government has to do with it. I am well aware of the current rules for keeping a boat in France - and it is nothing particularly new, nor connected with Brexit. It does not involve paying TVA on an existing EU boat, only the annual tax.

Nothing is going to change in the next 2+ years and you will be able to purchase a boat in the UK and move it to France without paying any tax at all unless you are resident there so you will pay the annual tax. You can register it in France if you qualify.

Nobody knows what will happen after the UK leaves the EU,but is highly unlikely to result in existing EU VAT paid (in the UK) losing any status in the remaining EU. of course there will be rumours put around about draconian consequences after Brexit - this is just part of the new Project Fear, but as we have seen so far none of these types of rumours actually turn into fact. of course if you were buying a new boat you would pay VAT in France if that is where it will be used.

So, none of your plans will be affected if as you say you buy in the next 1-2 years. The only precaution that would be wise is to ensure that your boat is established in the EU state of your choice as soon as you buy it.
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Mmm.... I think you should take advice... A hard Brexit will almost certainly make the legislation the same as that which applies to US or Canadian citizens visiting the EU, I have been an expat boat owner for over 25 years and owned several boats moored in europe so have a little experience in this area. Anyway this is all tread drift and not too interesting
Michael
 
blampied said:
Aquastar 33 or 38 (available in single or twin.
Big walk around, plenty of room, semi displacement, economical, low air draft, so suitable for canals an rivers as well as sea.
We have a 25 year old, single engine, 33 which we have lived on the last 5 years,
We’ve just returned from a long distance 4 year liveaboard trip.
The Seine via Paris, through the French canals to Port stLouis in the Med,
All French med coast, all Spain med coast, Gibraltar, Morocco, Italy, Monaco
Through the Canal du Midi to Bordeaux, Back up French Atlantic coast to Jersey.
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Thank you so much. Just been to look at specifications and pictures and a 33 looks perfect. The best suggestion for my situation so far.
May I ask a couple of questions?
With a single engine what litres per hour does it use at cruising speed?
What is cruising speed?
Thanks
Michael
 
blampied said:
Aquastar 33 or 38 (available in single or twin.
Big walk around, plenty of room, semi displacement, economical, low air draft, so suitable for canals an rivers as well as sea.
We have a 25 year old, single engine, 33 which we have lived on the last 5 years,
We’ve just returned from a long distance 4 year liveaboard trip.
The Seine via Paris, through the French canals to Port stLouis in the Med,
All French med coast, all Spain med coast, Gibraltar, Morocco, Italy, Monaco
Through the Canal du Midi to Bordeaux, Back up French Atlantic coast to Jersey.
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Sounds terrific. I owned the same type, for seven years and mostly pottered around on the south coast of England with the odd venture X channel. Very capable boat and with origins in the CI should cope well with all of the OP's plans. But, and mine was on twins, I averaged <1 NM per gallon. I would expect something like the Nimbus 320 linked above to be somewhat more frugal.
 
benjenbav said:
Sounds terrific. I owned the same type, for seven years and mostly pottered around on the south coast of England with the odd venture X channel. Very capable boat and with origins in the CI should cope well with all of the OP's plans. But, and mine was on twins, I averaged <1 NM per gallon. I would expect something like the Nimbus 320 linked above to be somewhat more frugal.
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Is that 1 nautical mile per engine per gallon?
 
Paw Paw said:
Is that 1 nautical mile per engine per gallon?
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0.9, would've been closer but for the boat, not per engine. Cummins B series engines with no nod to modernity. From the days when diesel was cheap and lightly taxed. And, in fairness, it was a semi-D boat which, had I been happy to use much more at D speed would have used fuel at half that rate (or better). But, I never was.
 
Hull speed for that boat was approx. 7 knots. I tended to cruise at 13-15 knots in open water and <6 in harbours.
 
Sorry I was trying to be 'trendy'.

Previous posts mentioned TYO but maybe it was TWO - which I took to mean Throttle Wide Open.

Yes 2,000 is roughly the cruising revs of my Perkins 65 in Paw Paw.

If I can cross Dieppe - Newhaven/Brighton at 13knots then its a 5 hour trip and not ridiculously expensive..
 
Paw Paw said:
Sorry I was trying to be 'trendy'.

Previous posts mentioned TYO but maybe it was TWO - which I took to mean Throttle Wide Open.

Yes 2,000 is roughly the cruising revs of my Perkins 65 in Paw Paw.

If I can cross Dieppe - Newhaven/Brighton at 13knots then its a 5 hour trip and not ridiculously expensive..
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Great. Hope you find a boat that suits and, also to be trendy 'JDI' (- just do it, as I believe the saying goes)
 
My Aquastar 33 has a single Volvo TAMD 63P 370hp ( I think well over powered for the boat) every boat is built to owners specification so everyone is different.
Canal speed 4knots 2 liters per hour
We tend to cruise at 7 knots 10 liters per hour
10 knots 30 liters per hour
20+ knots flat out 90 per hour (not done very often) speed costs big time

We topped up with red in Alderney up the channel to Le Harve, the Seine to Paris, east to Champion country, south to Lyon, The Sone and Rhône rivers and out at Port St. Louis where we refueled. We had burnt just under half our 300 gal tank of diesel
 
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What about a Seaward? Apparently a 35 uses just under 5 l/nm from 14 to 23 kn, about 1 l/nm 6 kn. 29 is a fair bit more economical at 3 l/ nm 14 to 23 kn and a bit less at 6 kn.
 
A twin diesel shaft drive boat or around 35ft running at 20 knots will do around 1.0 to 1.3 nmpg. If it is planning hulled, you won't really better that economy without dropping to full displacement, around 7-8 knots. Some slower speeds, where the boat is not fully on the plane, will actually give you worse fuel economy. You could get a semi displacement hull and run at 14-16 knots, but your fuel burn will be similar to the above.

Better economy can only really be had by running a single engine boat, a full displacement boat, or by choosing the devil's eggwhisks, otherwise know as stern drives.
 
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