Ch16: "Say again. You have been overcalled"

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Ch16: \"Say again. You have been overcalled\"

I noticed NAS's comment about overcalling on the Uncommanded DSC distress alert thread. According to NAS, an overcalling vessel had a curt response from the coastguard (something we've probably all heard before).

That's all very well for the CG, but how does any vessel know that they are overcalling, unless they are in the vicinity of another calling vessel? The reorganisation of the CG service means that they are listening to signals relayed from over a vast area. For example, Clyde CG covers everything from the Mull of Galloway up to the Point of Ardnamurchan, inluding the North Channel, the Firth of Clyde, Kilbrannan Sound, Loch Fyne, and a great swathe of the Inner Hebrides.

In the Clyde, it is common to hear Belfast CG, occasionally Liverpool, and also the Donegal one (Rathmullan and Belmullet?). But unless you have an aerial antenna several hundred feet high, you have no idea who's calling Clyde CG from Loch Fyne, or Campbeltown, let alone Islay, Mull or Oban.

Even for vessels on the same CG transmitter aerial there could be probs because of intervening hills, eg a boat off the NW coast of Mull would be unlikely to be heard in Tobermory harbour, even though they are both calling the CG on the same CG WT aerial.

I doubt if people overcall deliberately and perhaps the CG service needs to relax a bit more and recognise that overcalling may be a consequence of their reorganisation. Or have I got that completely wrong?
 
Re: Ch16: \"Say again. You have been overcalled\"

Couldn't agree more with what you have just said. Hear it a number of times over the weekend and I'm certain that no one is doing it deliberately.
Atmospherics also I feel play a large part in it.
Does it happen as often elsewhere as it does on the Clyde?
 
Re: Ch16: \"Say again. You have been overcalled\"

I think you've got it spot on. I don't think that the CG are snippy or curt about it, I think they understand. You can often hear only one side of a conversation, because of the geography, or simply by virtue of distance, when listening from a boat. The CG miss almost nothing, though. The "overcaller" may well be careful, and not realise that somewhere else there is another station using the channel already, out of range.
Atmospherics can do weird things. I have had a conversation with a sister-ship over hundreds of miles on vhf off west Africa, and heard port operations from Brazil half way accross the Atlantic.

Alistair
 
Re: Ch16: \"Say again. You have been overcalled\"

Definitely does.Even in the relatively quiet Bristol Channel it occurs especially summer weekends.

As you say it is not allways the overcallers fault he can only hear what is in range for his set.

I find that in high pressure systems you hear messages from hundreds of miles away eg recently overheard a yacht off the channel Islands from Barry South Wales.But on the same day short range calls seem to go unheard.
 
Re: Ch16: \"Say again. You have been overcalled\"

It is a common problem with multi tx/rx sites. I certainally dont think Clyde ever get nippy about it as they understand a vessel at Troon being recieved by the West Kilbride aerial will not hear a vessel calling at Campbletown using the Carradale aerial.

I have the same problem at work. I look after all the light aircraft flying around Scotland and I transmit/recieve from sites at Aberdeen, Leuchars and the Galloway hills, I can speak to an aircraft at Carlisle at 1000ft and also an aircraft at Inverness at 1000ft but no way would these aircraft be able to hear each other as VHF only works on line of sight.

Paul.
 
Re: Ch16: \"Say again. You have been overcalled\"

Sgeir,

I can't argue with you, just that in this case, the CG responded with a "hearing you loud and clear on the Walton aerial" (plus a bit more about routine traffic etc etc /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif), and the passage plan was from Harwich.... I was at Walton..... so pretty likely that they were in the same reception area....

The actual overcalling was inbetween message being delivered by one boat, and response/ack from CG, so suspect it was just inattention/sloppiness...
 
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so suspect it was just inattention/sloppiness...

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agreed - routine traffic should have quickly been moved off c16 to leave room for radio checks.............. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
Breaker, Breaker 16 - you got your ears on SC?

Could not agree more. Clyde CG are remarkably civil and tolerant especially considering some of the operators transmitting within their area. Between kids playing with the mike, operators (adult?) without the slightest notion of protocol or procedures, radio checks, "rubber Duck" wannabees - remember Convoy and CW McCall? not to mention a few boats who think 16 is their personal channel. I mean hardly an hour goes past with out someone asking for a radio check - I sometimes feel like answering them myself with "aye, yer radios workin' pal, now stop playin' with it or y'll go blind!" or words to that effect. Now see what you have done? got me started on radio etiquette or lack thereof.

Definitely would not knock Clyde CG (nor any other CG's for that matter) considering the sheer volume of traffic - not too bad in the Clyde but must be hell in the solent with everyone wanting a radio check everytime they switch on the radio /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif.

I wonder, do these folk make a test call on their mobile phones every time they switch them on?

Now diving for cover. actually off to catch some zzzzzz's as it looks like not a bad day tomorrow to head off round the Mull and up to Islay or maybe Coll.

Must remember to do a radio check every hour just incase the radio stops working suddenly /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
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Re: Breaker, Breaker 16 - you got your ears on SC?

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Must remember to do a radio check every hour just incase the radio stops working suddenly

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Will you put out a pan pan if it does? I suppose you could put out a mayday though - cos it is life threatening ... after all, who else do you talk to? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
Re: Breaker, Breaker 16 - you got your ears on SC?

Naw - just loose off a few parachute flares and when the chopper arrives I'll dump a few orange smokes for the hell of it. - I mean a lot of other folk seem to abuse the emergency services so why shouldn't I have some fun as well? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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Re: Breaker, Breaker 16 - you got your ears on SC?

Hi Cliff, looks like good sailing round the Mull - have a great time. Family occasion I take it?.

Kept an ear open last weekend (well nine days ago now!) on the Rathlin voyage. Sailing was a bit mixed - no wind on most of the return journey, but a great night in McCuaig's bar, details on MacHurley's blog.

We're thinking of heading south at the weekend.
 
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