Ch 31 ( Icom euro 56)

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Hi all
just back from 3 weeks in windy Holland "met nee much son" but groote Pils
as before a number of marinas have Ch 31 for call-up.
if Jon ( icom) is tuned-in can i have Ch 31 retro-fitted into my excellent Icom 56 euro.
Also praise to the Controllers @ Hoek-van-Holland, we had to "nip in" a bit sharpish when the entrance to Stellendam was un-tenable due to a bit-o-wind from s.w.@ dusk/ dark.
cheers all
roger

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Hi Roger

We can put any channel into your radio.
The down side here is the CH31 over here is a private channel used by the RNLI.
We and our dealers should ask for written proof that you have permission to use any private channel.

So not really sure what the answer would be here.
I will look into it.

Mail me some contact deatils
jonb@icomuk.co.uk

Kind regards

<hr width=100% size=1>Jon Brooks
Marine Dealer Manager
Icom UK Ltd.
01227 741741
 
Just to clarify.

MUST, not should ask for proof of permission to use privately licensed channels.

The RNLI would not be best pleased to have people being allowed to programme their sets to access their channel, a lot like C0 and MCA really.

You should check with any marina whether it has C80 available, in the same way that UK marinas do for foreign vessels.

Mike

<hr width=100% size=1>Team Executive,
Maritime & Aeronautical Team, Ofcom
 
Cheers Mike

Was trying to go softly softly!!

Anyway hows the bumps after the weekend? :0)))

Regards

<hr width=100% size=1>Jon Brooks
Marine Dealer Manager
Icom UK Ltd.
01227 741741
 
uhhmmm... pardon me intruding, but haven't 'we' all agreed upon the so called 'Basel-package', or is that another filthy Europenean agreement and thus by default not accepted in the UK?

I'm in love (well, you get my point) with my Icom M601 set and one of the many happy features is that I am able to switch between the (in Holland obliged) Basel package (which includes ch 31, reduced to 1 Watt) and the international package. I haven't checked if this includes possible use of CH31, will do so later this week.

But do you mean to say that VHF restricted to only the Basel package are by default illegal in the UK? I am trying hard to see why we shouldn't use ch31 on the mainland since it is a dessignated channel (duplex) for marina communication.

Cheers, Rene

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Mike,

I understand that completely. Do you say that the Basel settlement is not valid for the UK so anyone buying a VHF set on the mainland needs to re-program the set for use within the Brittain terretory?

Intresting to know that some (or most??) channels in the UK are different compaired to mainland operators

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I have to admit that I have not read "the Basel settlement" personally. Can you give me more detail? However, I can guarantee to you that it would not overide national allocations of Maritime frequencies and as a foreign vessel entering UK Territorial Waters you would have to abide by them.

So to recap, UK Marina operations are carried out on Channels M and M2 with C80 available for international vessels. Someone, who came into UK TWs using a channel licensed for use without permission form the licensee would be subject to action by the UK administration this would likely include close-down of the station and report to their flag state.

Mike

<hr width=100% size=1>Team Executive,
Maritime & Aeronautical Team, Ofcom
 
Mike,
I am certainly no expert when it comes to regulations (and thus an expert in breaking rules, unintentional) but I think you might find this document interesting <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.agentschap-telecom.nl/pdf/basel_english2003def.pdf> basel link </A>. Just discovered that England indeed didn't signed this 'agreement', mostly due to the aim of safety toward the inland waterways (inland as in mainland inlands.....).

Obtaining a VHF licence in Holland means I have to oblidge to these rules as well. Thus, I have free use of CH31 and will do so if and when applicable (meaning inland waterways).

I do have enough common sence to check the appropiate channel before calling a foreign station. With your helpful information I know for sure to avoid using CH31, but on the other hand it is still (IMHO) a bit strange that UK ships ar not able to use the same channel for mainland stations.

As usual, another great example how useful this forum can be. Learned another thing today!

Rene

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Hi Rene,

Thank you very much for the link, very helpful.

I thought that I should just draw your attention to one small point. Channel 31 does not actually form part of the Basel Agreement (Annex 2 refers), it also goes on to explain that some of the signatories are not able to release all of the channels in Annex 2 to Inland waterways use due to their national usages. One of the stranger bits of the document is that Channel 70 is listed in the table of frequencies then the footnotes state that DSC is not allowed.

I would suggest that the C31 usage may well actually be a Netherlands' national usage rather than European as Channel 31 doesn't appear in Appendix 18 which is the list of Internationally harmonised channels.

Mike

<hr width=100% size=1>Team Executive,
Maritime & Aeronautical Team, Ofcom
 
think you will find that the radio would be legal in the 'foreign' boat because it is legal at home. while the same radio would be illegal in uk on a uk boat.

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Mike, I see what you mean. Part of the exams for obtaining the VHF licence in Holand is knowing certain extracts from that document. The origional list (which our 'Ofcom' refers to as the Basel-list) is strictly Dutch and I was (am!) too lazy to translate, hence the full document. I have read it myself and it is indeed full of contradictions, i.e usage of DSC (ch70) which is prohibited on inland waters, except in the border area between Maritime Area and Inland Waterways Area, which almost defines the whole of Holland (except a few rivers...).

Anyway, my most concern is that if an Europenean agreement upon a simple list is hard to settle, what about even more serious matters??? Doesn't put must trust in the EEC right now......

On the other hand it shows that where ever you go, always check your latest almanac/directives for the proper VHF channels.....

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100% correct. I was thinking in an even wider setup. Meaning, one goal of the whole EEC was/is free trading among their members. In basic, if the Dutch dealers/resellers have fallen asleep, thus making the prices of (for instance) a VHF set too expensive, I would be able to buy one in the UK, pay my VAT there and bring it back home without any hassles. Same is valid vice versa.... Still possible, but it means that the set have to be reprogrammed before installation......

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For what it's worth I sell quite a few radios into northern Europe, though not so far as I can recall The Netherlands, but certainly lots further north.


<hr width=100% size=1>John
http://www.on-line-marine.com
 
"Someone, who came into UK TWs using a channel licensed for use without permission form the licensee would be subject to action by the UK administration "

So I presume you're not saying that possession of any given frequency would be illegal here, only the use of it. It would seem strange if a properly licensed Dutch boat could be prosecuted coming here as a tourist.

<hr width=100% size=1>John
http://www.on-line-marine.com
 
non boaty comment

A few years ago I was trying to get approval for a folding ladder to act as a rescue ladder, and in the process had two meetings with The Netherlands "Mr Ladders" who was responsible to his government for trying to standardise a European ladder.

He told me his committee had monthly meetings, each month in a different country, to try and harmonise what a ladder is. I got the impression this had been going on some time, meetings, referring back and such. He said it would have been much quicker to create an entirely new standard unknown to any present country. I expect they are still at it....

<hr width=100% size=1>John
http://www.on-line-marine.com
 
Re: non boaty comment

A classic illustration of the maxim that "a camel is a horse, designed by a committee"

Given modern preoccupations with product liability for manufacturers, and the IQ of the average purchaser, presumably the Euro Ladder will have to have "stop here" engraved on the top rung ? /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

<hr width=100% size=1>Je suis Marxiste - tendance Groucho
 
Re: non boaty comment

This needs a bit of thought...

Surely "Don't start here" would be equally appropriate?

<hr width=100% size=1>my opinion is complete rubbish, probably.
 
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