Certificate not valid unless registered on www.rya.org.uk

Unfortunately, after 6 or 7 house moves across two continents in the last 20 years I can no longer find my susstificates so I guess that means I am no longer qualified and must remain tied to the dock?
 
prv said:
Hmm, there's a change. Mine sternly warns me not to lose it as no records are kept. Presumably dates from before the RYA discovered databases :)

Pete
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Yes mine are the same 2 and 5 years old. I would say it is valid in Greece :-)))
 
Just to clarify on a few of the points raised.

The photo ID certificates are being phased in across various of the RYA courses – but by no means all. The certificates this system relates to are:

Powerboat Level 2
Powerboat Advanced
Personal Watercraft
Inland Waterways
Day Skipper practical – sail and power*
Coastal Skipper practical – sail and power*

* Up to 31st March 2013 centres may still issue ‘old style’ paper certificates for these courses. Thereafter only new style must be issued and schools will be required to destroy stocks of old style certificates. For the other courses only ‘new style’ can be issued.

It is the school’s responsibility to register the certificate on the RYA database. When this occurs you may or may not get a confirmation email depending on whether the school enters one for you (it is not a mandatory field).

If the school does not register the certificate then it may cause an issue if/when you use a copy of that certificate to apply for either a ICC or a Commercial Endorsement.

I would suggest that anyone in any doubt as to whether a certificate has been registered first checks with the school. In the event of a lack of response from the school then you could check with RYA Training.

In larger centres I would suggest that the uploading of certificates to the RYA site may take up to a couple of weeks post a course unless you advise of the need to apply for an ICC/CE – certainly we tend to upload/enter in batches.

For those that have old style certificates that want a new style certificate then this is not an issue but approach the centre not the RYA. The centre will most probably make a small charge (we charge £10 for reissued certs) as there is a need for them to buy a new certificate/course pack, postage charges etc.

Anyone who has ‘mislaid’ a certificate should approach the school who are required to maintain records so that certificates can be reissued. We get quite a few a year about 90% are genuine and 10% haven’t a clue who they trained with 20 years ago and are contacting everyone in the area! In the event the school no longer exists contact RYA Training.

Hope all of that is of some help

Regards, Paul
 
jwilson said:
Schools get sheafs of blank certs - it has been known for certs to be issued with no actual training/certification taking place. Hence the schools (not you) have to register each cert used with the RYA. I'm out of the "training system" now, but despite this the RYA always refused to admit to having records of who had been certified as what.
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With the old system I'm pretty sure it was the school that kept a record of the certificate number, not the RYA. Thus the whole problem about a lack of central records and thus the changes we are talking about. This is why the RYA had no idea who had been certified for what; it's not 'refusing to admit' so much as not knowing in the first place. If you ask me it is a long overdue improvement as the centers have always have to have been accredited so the least the punter can expect should have been formal recognition in return.
 
I wonder if someone can clear up for me how a Day Skipper Course Completion Cert can be endorsed for commercial use when a similar Coastal Skipper course cannot. One has to pass an independently examined practical exam for Yachtmaster Coastal.
 
Enya said:
I wonder if someone can clear up for me how a Day Skipper Course Completion Cert can be endorsed for commercial use when a similar Coastal Skipper course cannot. One has to pass an independently examined practical exam for Yachtmaster Coastal.
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Because that's not correct. Coastal skipper certificates (without yacht master coastal examination) can be commercially endorsed. Yachtmaster Coastal is a different thing.
 
The OP should not worry. The RYA's admin is lamentable with little if any checking of instructor qualification, frequent changes of qualification standards, poor record keeping etc. How for example are they going to repudiate your certificate when they must have thousands issued before the latest daft idea and of which they have no record? For that matter, who are they going to give the info to under data protection?

It's sad really because the overall scheme is a good one. Must be something about teachers given whats also happened to GCSE.
 
bitbaltic said:
Because that's not correct. Coastal skipper certificates (without yacht master coastal examination) can be commercially endorsed. Yachtmaster Coastal is a different thing.
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No, sorry but the RYA Coastal Skipper Course Completion Certificate cannot be commercially endorsed - only the Yachtmaster Coastal Certificate of Competence. It does seem an anomaly, but since the Day Skipper "qualification" is not independently examined it is the Course Completion Certificate that can be commercially endorsed.

The list of what can, and cannot, be commercially endorsed is here:

http://www.rya.org.uk/coursestraining/professional/commercialend/pages/commercialendorsements.aspx
 
mikemanor said:
No, sorry but the RYA Coastal Skipper Course Completion Certificate cannot be commercially endorsed - only the Yachtmaster Coastal Certificate of Competence. It does seem an anomaly, but since the Day Skipper "qualification" is not independently examined it is the Course Completion Certificate that can be commercially endorsed.

The list of what can, and cannot, be commercially endorsed is here:

http://www.rya.org.uk/coursestraining/professional/commercialend/pages/commercialendorsements.aspx
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oh okay I stand corrected.
 
wotayottie said:
No - I'm an RYA instructor so it would not be wise to give details. But I can assure you that I'm not exaggerating
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How wise is it to be an instructor for an organization whose standards you seem to regard as lamentable? Can I ask if you are an instructor working at a recognised sea school or in some way independent? Forgive the cynicism but there are usually one or two 'Rya instructors' floating around most marinas or clubs, who seem to deplore the standards of the institution on whose behalf they are supposed to be teaching. Of course they still charge, if often nominally, for this wisdom.
 
wotayottie said:
DILLICM ! Was going to say DILLIGAF but that would have been rude. :)
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I have absolutely no idea what you mean. Surely if you are an instructor, you should make your point with clarity.

As you are also unable to back up your statements about the RYA I conclude that you are probably wrong.

Where do you think the email comes from to remind you your update is due?

When was the last time standards were changed?

Sorry but I continue to suspect hearsay.
 
When SWMBO chucked all our certificates into the water (by mistake!) and only managed to retreive her own, I got in touch with the RYA who sent me a set of forms to complete for each certificate by email. The details required included when and where the qualifiactions were taken etc. Once they had the forms and a cheque for replacement costs (some were free as I am an RYA member), they sent me new certificates by return post.

So, if you're after replacements for lost certificates, get on the RYA website and go to the certification bit, where you will find an email contact to set things in motion. By the way, all my certificates predate the introduction of the central database.
 
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