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yankeebloke

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Hi All

Maybe this is a stupid question but................

while reading another thread i noticed that CE marking is a big deal on imported boats, so i assume all UK boats are CE Marked?

now this is where i get worried..............

I bought a 1989 Sealine 218 in DEc 09........first boat.............and i dont remember seeing or hearing anything to do with CE marking, neither broker or my surveyer ever mentioned this.

Should my boat be CE Marked?

How do i tell if it is or isnt?

If it isnt do i have any comeback on surveryor or broker?

Many thanks

John
 
Get good advice and do your homework. Answer the following questions:

Does the boat already have CE Marking? (It only ever needs doing once or when re-engined).
Is the boat less than 8ft (2.5m) long?
Is the boat designed and used exclusively for racing?
Is the boat a hydrofoil, submarine or a hovercraft?
Is the boat a one-off or individual replica designed before 1950?
Was the boat in the EU / EEA before 16th June 1998?


If the answer to all the above questions is "No" you need CE Marking. You can see that the age of the boat is only relevant if it was designed before 1950. Any other advice is not accurate.
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From This company's website - who specialise in C.E. marking.
 
Everything on my American Sportsboat has a CE mark on it. I can't imagine why the manufacturer would incur the extra expense of deliberately using different parts for CE and non CE markets ! It's cheaper to mass produce to one spec, than to have myriads of different build requirements).The US requirements are usually not less stringent than the EU ones, in some areas they are more stringent. Also, I can't imagine why engine manufacturers would incur the expense of having US and European spec engines (Bodensee/ Lake Konstanz excepted, where emissions are more tightly regulated). They are even introducing Catalytic converter equipped marine engines in the US, not yet required here in Europe.

Graham
 
GrahamHR said:
The US requirements are usually not less stringent than the EU ones, in some areas they are more stringent. Also, I can't imagine why engine manufacturers would incur the expense of having US and European spec engines (Bodensee/ Lake Konstanz excepted, where emissions are more tightly regulated). They are even introducing Catalytic converter equipped marine engines in the US, not yet required here in Europe.
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That's partially incorrect. They're probably heading in the direction you mention, but as things stand we're still far from that.
No high power (500+ HP) gasoline engine is currently CE compliant, with the only noticeable exceptions of the Mercury 662 (which is in fact a 700 detuned to make it CE compliant) and a couple of almost unknown (albeit superb) Ilmor engines.
Otoh, Mercury sells in the US a whole range of engines, from 525hp all the way up to the 1,350 of the recently announced turbo.
Besides, in some cases it's not a matter of how stringent the requirements are, but just of whether the producers want to go through the hassle of CE marking. As an example, the Latham hydraulic steering is far superior, under each and every respect (safety included) than the cable steering which is standard on most outdrives. But it's not CE marked (whilst the cheap and unreliable cable steering is), just because Latham never bothered about that.
 
GrahamHR said:
Everything on my American Sportsboat has a CE mark on it. I can't imagine why the manufacturer would incur the extra expense of deliberately using different parts for CE and non CE markets ! It's cheaper to mass produce to one spec, than to have myriads of different build requirements).The US requirements are usually not less stringent than the EU ones, in some areas they are more stringent. Also, I can't imagine why engine manufacturers would incur the expense of having US and European spec engines (Bodensee/ Lake Konstanz excepted, where emissions are more tightly regulated). They are even introducing Catalytic converter equipped marine engines in the US, not yet required here in Europe.

Graham
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You are forgetting that our local Jobsworths insist on BS gas hoses....Kite marked Fire extinguishers and Bs Fuel hoses. The Grey import will have superior items but marked with American standards so is only seaworthy in the USA .. In the UK will be non seaworthy!!! Oh I forgot.... The Americans favour a custom system of flexibly gas hoses with bulkhead glands. Our jobsworths prefer a hard piped system with leaky bulkhead unions giving two possible sources of leakage at each bulkhead unless like Vic and me you drill through the bulkhead connectors and install through piping. Just don t tell jobsworth cos he might define it as a gland:)

Once these few items are dealt with there should be no problems especially as some USA boat builders recognise the importance of customer relations and are happy to provide the necessary stability curves.
 
My God, at last someone else who seems to believe that American boats might be at least as safe as European built boats, even though many use the devils elixir, petrol, as a fuel; with the American system of litigation, the OEMs would have to be pretty stupid (and not to stay in business very long) if they made a product that was unsafe. ( cue I suppose references to 1970s Ford US cars with exploding fuel tanks etc). But there again, recent Toyotas with hybrid power, a pretty dangerous package overall if the press reports are to be believed!

Graham
 
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GrahamHR said:
My God, at last someone else who seems to believe that Ameican boats might be at least as safe as Euroipean built boats, even though many use the devils elixir, petrol, as a fuel;

Graham
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There are some pretty good boats....Mind you we have the daft situation where by you can take two identical American boats built in USA around 1997 . One imported in 1997 is perfectly acceptable. No problem no RCD required..


Identical boat imported after 1998 and it is definitely suspect...a grey import and likely to kill you????????


DAft isn t it and just cos one was imported a year later than the other.
 
Yes, it's absolutely stupid, regulations for the sake of regulations rather than using common sense. Much like the situation with my car and towing. The most powerful model of Mondeo mk3 Ford built, same bodyshell, bumpers, suspension, brakes etc as the ST diesel version, yet I cannot legally tow anything as it was not homologated for towing whereas the diesel ST ( and all other petrol and diesel ones) were!

Graham
 
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