Carter 33 Design

[Guest]

I am trying to find drawings of a Carter 33. I have found out that Carter Offshore Ltd were based in Essex and ceased production approx. 15 years ago. We need the design of the skeg and rudder for repairs. Any ideas?

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[HenryB]

They were also built by Olympic Marine in Greece. This company still exists and may be able to help you.

Their telephone number is (Greece) 0292 63705

Good luck,

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[Badger]

Do you know who the designer was ? The Naval Architects he worked for will still have the drawings I would imagine.Try ybw.com copyshop to find out more.

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[Badger]

Boat tests / Used boats
Carter 33 Simon Jinks/Peter Nielsen
Apr 2002 p100-101 Yachting Monthly

Description: Second-hand Boat Test
Carter 33



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[Neal]

I took the rudder assembly apart on my Carter 33 in May. I haven't got any drawings, but I do know exactly how it fits together - it's quite an unusual set-up, due to the shape of the huge rudder.

If I can help at all, send me a pm - I must emphasise that my engineering skills are strictly amateur diy level at best.

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[Guest]

Conrad in Poland now build the carter 30 's etc.

I would like to know there contact details fore other reasons !!



<hr width=100% size=1>Nigel ...
Bilge Keelers get up further ! I only came - cos they said there was FREE Guinness !

 

[1947wardstewart]

Hi Neal
I have a 1972 carter 33, which has play in the tiller, I suspect rudder bearings but have no drawings or info, have seen your posting and realise its a long time ago but any tips you can give me would be appreciated, like how it comes apart etc.
Regards Ward

 

[NealB]

Hi Ward!

It is indeed a longtime ago now, and I sold my Carter 33 not long after the original posts, so my memory is a little hazy.

Play in the tiller is very common with these boats, entirely due to the design of the ruddder. It does detract from the 'feel' of these otherwise lovely sailing boats.

If you look at the rudder from one side, you'll note that the leading edge is not, like most designs, a straight line. On the Carter 33, the upper third(ish) sweeps forward. This looks very elegant, but is really rather daft (in my opinion).

You cannot, therefore, just drop the rudder down to the ground....it has to be pulled backwards, so the forward curve clears the skeg.

This means that the shaft has to be in two parts, which slot together just inside the top of the rudder, with a machined star shape on each so that they turn as one (think of two solid stainless rods one with a 'female' star- shape machined in one end, and the other with a corresponding 'male' star-shape (sorry, there's probably a technical engineering term for this, but sadly, engineering is not my thing). It's this joint inside the top of the rudder that tends to allow the play.

So, to remove the rudder:

- put something underneath the rudder so it won't fall out when the shaft is removed (this is belt and braces - the support won't actually do anything at all)
- instruct your helper to push forward on the top of the rudder (ie push the top towards the skeg).
- remove the nut that locks the tiller to the top of the rudder shaft
- now, the tricky bit. You need to pull the rudder shaft upwards from the cockpit. It will probably take quite a bit of pulling - mine eventually shifted by tightening good old Molegrips tightly to the shaft, then bashing with a club hammer. You might, however, be much more cleverer, and be able to make up some sort of puller
- withdraw the top part of the shaft (make sure your helper is still pushing the top of the rudder forwards!), and put it on the cockpit sole. Now get on the ground.
- you and your helper will now be able to remove the rudder by letting the top gently fall backwards away from the skeg. Once you have enough clearance under the stern, you can lift the rudder from its lower mounting. Despite its impressive size, the rudder is, in fact, manageable by one person (as long as they've got a good back), but two is probably adviseable.

I bet you'll find the male and female machined shapes are worn.

I hope this makes sense!

Good luck!

Edit 1)....welcome to the forum!

Edit 2)..I'm afraid that I found getting the two shafts to mate again, when putting it back together, was very difficult. I hope you know some very, very strong swear words for this part.

 

[NealB]

Mine was an Olympic built boat. I don't know if those built by Northshore had the same set-up.

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

Do you know who the designer was ? The Naval Architects he worked for will still have the drawings I would imagine.Try ybw.com copyshop to find out more.

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Dick Carter was designer!

 

[velis]

hi, i would your help to find the way to get out the rudder from my Carter 33. Can you sent me any drawιing or something else to see the way? thank.