CART and boats without a home mooring

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ianc1200 said:
One (very pleasant chap) waiting in a queue on his live aboard narrowboat explained the actions of CART were leading to him and others to relocate onto the Thames.
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Was it this chap?

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I don't know, won't this phrase affect most of the boats on the Thames....

"Importantly, short trips within the same neighbourhood, and shuttling backwards and forwards along a
small part of the network do NOT meet the legal requirement for navigation throughout the period of
the licence":D:D:D:D
 
The guy appears to be a live-aboard who sought judicial review of the C&RT requirements regarding what they refer to as "continuous cruisers" - i.e. boats without a permanent home mooring.

He had previously been to court and had his arguments rejected. This time he would also appear to face a hefty legal bill for the C&RT's costs

The C&RT clearly explain their polices and definition of continuous cruising HERE

As for moving to the Thames, there is a very determined attitude in the EA to enforce observance of mooring regulations on their own 24 hour and other owned moorings.

Its much easier for the C&RT to enforce this as, unlike the EA, they own all(?) the towpath moorings. For instance, the situation at Teddington above the lock cut is difficult because the land does not belong to the EA.
 
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The liveaboard owners need to address their pathetic excuse for living the boating life, when in fact it's often a thin veil for being boat-borne Gypsies. :D
 
ianc1200 said:
I wonder if this judgement will have an initial negative effect on the Thames;

http://canalrivertrust.org.uk/press-office

http://canalrivertrust.org.uk/media/library/2262.pdf

http://canalrivertrust.org.uk/media/library/633.pdf

One (very pleasant chap) waiting in a queue on his live aboard narrowboat explained the actions of CART were leading to him and others to relocate onto the Thames.
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This is certainly a major concern of mine; if the Thames is seen as a 'haven' for the great unwashed to bring their floating squats from all parts of the inland waterway system to the Thames. The enforcement teams have little jurisdiction beyond their own land. Worst case scenario is the Squat above Teddington lock being replicated all along the Thames.:(
 
No Regrets said:
The liveaboard owners need to address their pathetic excuse for living the boating life, when in fact it's often a thin veil for being boat-borne Gypsies. :D
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Tar all with the same brush eh :eek:.

I'm sure a certain forumite from Windsor would be delighted to hear that's what you think.
 
ianc1200 said:
Can't the EA resolve this by getting Planning involved, ie no established use for permanent mooring?
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Not sure I understand your point? The EA have no jurisdiction on a boat moored to private land other than the boat having a current EA licence. Any issues relating to the boat being moored is a matter for the landowner.
In the case of the boats above Teddington, my understanding is that the land is owned by the local authority - Richmond Upon Thames - who are in the process of proposing new by laws to enable them to act.

Further information about the consultation is available HERE
 
Chris_d said:
There may have intended to be a difference as we understand it, but surely in practice they are the same thing?
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As far as C&RT (previously BW) is concerned "Continuous Cruising" is a declared status for a licence holder which exempts them from declaring (having) a home mooring.

Not sure of all the minutiae but you can get a pretty good idea HERE

"Live-aboard" means just that - living on a boat - and could be moored in one place on a residential mooring, moored long term anywhere, or continuously on the move but living on the boat.

Like most things, it becomes an issue when someone tries/wants to buck the system.

Most of the grief from this issue generally comes from two directions:
1. Live-aboards of whatever type overstaying on public moorings thus denying use by other boaters
2. Local resident objections to congregations of boats perceived as undesirable such as the one above Teddington

All further exacerbated by the smoke and mirrors around whose responsibility it is to resolve problems, not to mention the social welfare aspects.
 
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boatone said:
As far as C&RT (previously BW) is concerned "Continuous Cruising" is a declared status for a licence holder which exempts them from declaring (having) a home mooring.

Not sure of all the minutiae but you can get a pretty good idea HERE

"Live-aboard" means just that - living on a boat - and could be moored in one place on a residential mooring, moored long term anywhere, or continuously on the move but living on the boat.

Like most things, it becomes an issue when someone tries/wants to buck the system.

Most of the grief from this issue generally comes from two directions:
1. Live-aboards of whatever type overstaying on public moorings thus denying use by other boaters
2. Local resident objections to congregations of boats perceived as undesirable such as the one above Teddington

All further exacerbated by the smoke and mirrors around whose responsibility it is to resolve problems, not to mention the social welfare aspects.
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But you used the word continuous in the defintion of a liveaboard? Does BW give the option of declaring Continuous cruising or Liveaboard when applying for a license? not being picky but interested to know why they might be considered different in a legal sense. I suppose if you have a home mooring BW aren't interested if you live there or just keep a boat there.
 
Chris_d said:
But you used the word continuous in the defintion of a liveaboard? Does BW give the option of declaring Continuous cruising or Liveaboard when applying for a license? not being picky but interested to know why they might be considered different in a legal sense. I suppose if you have a home mooring BW aren't interested if you live there or just keep a boat there.
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Yes if you dont have a home mooring then you have to make a declaration that you will move around the system and not leave the boat in one place all the time. Its a minefield and hopefully the latest ruling will at least give CaRT the ability to police overstayers.

They dont care if you live on the boat or not its nothing to do with them just as it's nothing to do with EA provided you dont overstay on designated moorings.
 
Chris_d said:
....not being picky ......
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Well....not much ! :D

You can be a live aboard without being a "continuous cruiser". However, if you are a "continuous cruiser" you are quite likely to be a live aboard.

Please note that including the words "continuous cruiser" in quotes implies that the term is being used strictly in the context of the term as defined by the C&RT and not by anyone living within an easy bus ride of Oxford :D
 
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